Astute
Well-Known Member
So they signed in with your name? OK.
So they signed in with your name? OK.It’s not just me saying it it’s the WHO dude
Sadly, they are not.
I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.
When has the fact you have not broken a law ever stopped the plod?Well in any case, how could they charge him as technically it was his lover who broke the law as written.
no one could have gone in to journalism wanting to be as shit at their jobs as they are, what happened to change them?
Anyone who cares about democracy and accountability should be appalled no matter what their political leaning.
for sure.Government scared of scrutiny and prefers to play with friendly media even in times of national crisis?
Passenger flights are now being used for freight movement I know someone who works for BA and they still have manned cabin crew but they are using them to transport goods
I was wondering why the news wasn't covering this and my thoughts were them being told by some govt official "If you report on this it'll undermine lockdown effectiveness as people will think if they're letting these pople in with no checks/quarantine why and I allowing myself to be stuck inside. This could lead to a second wave and do YOU want to be responsible for that?"Lots of passenger flights, from all over the place. No controls.
I was wondering why the news wasn't covering this and my thoughts were them being told by some govt official "If you report on this it'll undermine lockdown effectiveness as people will think if they're letting these pople in with no checks/quarantine why and I allowing myself to be stuck inside. This could lead to a second wave and do YOU want to be responsible for that?"
When in reality the people responsible are those letting the people in (and thus a high probability of the virus being spread publicly or even worse a new mutated strain from abroad), not those reporting it.
An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html
"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)
Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.
Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.
Although it's still way to early to say, the early indicators do look like those places that didn't lockdown quickly or hard are suffering the most. The reason for that - worries of the effect on the economy - so hardly surprising those badly affected are predominantly those will the most extreme capitalist ideologies. Literally putting money ahead of people.
I think we're going to need to be really careful with whom we pick as friends in the playground .I fear you may be right. I'll stop sort of suggesting it is intentional to use the excuse our health system can't cope, but even so the US are one of the few places that have (thus far) to have dealth with it even worse than we have.
So to potentially put the health service on the table to a country whose system has been even worse than ours is just ridiculous.
We really do need to consider stepping away from the 'special relationship' (by which I largely men abusive and one way) a little bit, and especially so if Trump is re-elected and make new ones that are more progressive.
How about a Boston Coffee Party if Trump gets back in? Go to Lincolnshire and dump a load of Americano into the Wash?
erm because maybe its bank holiday?
Heathrow CEO has told a Commons select committee today that they are going to start trialling temperature checks in one terminal (T2) from next week. Its a joke how far behind everyone else we are.Of that 18.1m, not a single person was screened or checked. Only 4 flights- 3 from Wuhan and 1 from Tokyo were taken straight to quarantine.
Before anyone quibbles over the source of this- they are the government's own figures.
we're a million miles away from emulating what they're doing in South Korea unfortunately and it's highly unlikely we'll ever get there.
Very clear from his performance today why he does his best to avoid PMQs. Without a friendly crowd and being able to palm questions off onto others he was like a rabbit in the headlights.I thought it was a much better performance from Ikea Starmer today if I'm honest.
Though he wasn't up against much. Don't think Johnson properly answered one question and eventually, as you say, got goaded into setting another unachievable target on testing.
When all this is done and we start Brexit negotiations we're going to get absolutely rinsed with this mob in charge.
I think we're going to need to be really careful with whom we pick as friends in the playground .
The broader the choice the better .
Can't help but wonder if it is coincidence that on the day Vallance and Davies were saying we were too slow to ramp up testing and that has impacted our response Ferguson gets thrown under the bus. Suspicions that aren't calmed by the fact it was the Daily Telegraph and Spectator that stuck the knife in.And if you want to link it to politics etc- here it is. We got it wrong at the start. And that is the very time that The Spectator, The Telegraph etc along with some people on here, the brexit-obsessed government & 'scientific experts' were all sneering about how the "Europeans have got it wrong", looking down their noses at Italy, slagging off the Chinese, telling everyone that 'Britain Knows Best' and pushing an isolationist approach. Look how fucking wrong they were.
Are we really doing much different to when Johnson suggested we let it work through the country? We've had a minimal lockdown and appear to be preparing to open things back up when there's still a significant number of new cases and deaths daily and we still don't have testing, PPE etc issues resolved.Given some of the views of the advisors in No. 10 there is that nagging doubt in my mind whether or not the care home thing could have been intentional.
Heathrow CEO has told a Commons select committee today that they are going to start trialling temperature checks in one terminal (T2) from next week. Its a joke how far behind everyone else we are.
It's so he can send Hancock or raab to the commons on Monday and he gets to announce but not face the questionsI don't get why any announcements can't be put in front of parliament tomorrow .
What data elements to it are so critical when nothing of significance could change between one day to the next.
Doing it Sunday gives them an extra couple of days to hope a solution accidentally falls in their lap.What? What's Friday got to do with anything?!?
Have a mate who is Australian. He was working in the US but has returned home. Upon arrival it was straight into mandatory government 14 day quarantine. Everyone gets the same treatment irrespective of if anyone on the flight has symptoms or a high temperature. Non citizens aren't allowed in the country at all.This should be something we can control quite well. They have to go through border control so while there get details, intended travel plans etc. They could even enforce isolation if they'd wanted on public health grounds. If a country doesn't like it then ban flights from that country. If you've got people abroad to bring home charter flights specifically for them - not like there isn't spare runway capacity at the moment even without considering the use of RAF bases.
Yep we could and probably should have done the same. I admit I didn’t realise this at the time thoughHave a mate who is Australian. He was working in the US but has returned home. Upon arrival it was straight into mandatory government 14 day quarantine. Everyone gets the same treatment irrespective of if anyone on the flight has symptoms or a high temperature. Non citizens aren't allowed in the country at all.
Last day I can find figures for in Australia is 2 days ago, 26 new cases and 1 death.
Passenger flights are now being used for freight movement I know someone who works for BA and they still have manned cabin crew but they are using them to transport goods
Yes you are correct, there are now passenger planes being used for cargo specifically.
However, there are still a core amount of flights coming in even today from China (as an example), which are scheduled daily services.
With no one being checked it is a total joke.
Amazed nobody is pushing them on this point but I haven't seen a thing?So, with Ferguson being forced to resign and Hancock saying it’s a matter for the police when can we expect Robert Jenrick to resign and the police to visit Stanley Johnson?
China is virus free isn’t it?
Amazed nobody is pushing them on this point but I haven't seen a thing?
There were 18.1 million arrivals into UK passenger terminals- (plane, ferry, land) between January 1st and 22nd March.
Of that 18.1 million, 273 were checked and quarantined.
Whatever is happening now its too late, the damage was already done while we were dithering.
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