Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (6 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

I thought it was a much better performance from Ikea Starmer today if I'm honest.
Though he wasn't up against much. Don't think Johnson properly answered one question and eventually, as you say, got goaded into setting another unachievable target on testing.

When all this is done and we start Brexit negotiations we're going to get absolutely rinsed with this mob in charge.

Very clear from his performance today why he does his best to avoid PMQs. Without a friendly crowd and being able to palm questions off onto others he was like a rabbit in the headlights.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I think we're going to need to be really careful with whom we pick as friends in the playground .
The broader the choice the better .

I agree. Sadly those in charge will continue to cosy up to America (and to a lesser extent people like Saudi Arabia and China) and ignore those with a more holistic approach to society.

 

[chiefdave]

And if you want to link it to politics etc- here it is. We got it wrong at the start. And that is the very time that The Spectator, The Telegraph etc along with some people on here, the brexit-obsessed government & 'scientific experts' were all sneering about how the "Europeans have got it wrong", looking down their noses at Italy, slagging off the Chinese, telling everyone that 'Britain Knows Best' and pushing an isolationist approach. Look how fucking wrong they were.

Can't help but wonder if it is coincidence that on the day Vallance and Davies were saying we were too slow to ramp up testing and that has impacted our response Ferguson gets thrown under the bus. Suspicions that aren't calmed by the fact it was the Daily Telegraph and Spectator that stuck the knife in.

Given some of the views of the advisors in No. 10 there is that nagging doubt in my mind whether or not the care home thing could have been intentional.

Are we really doing much different to when Johnson suggested we let it work through the country? We've had a minimal lockdown and appear to be preparing to open things back up when there's still a significant number of new cases and deaths daily and we still don't have testing, PPE etc issues resolved.

 

[wingy]

I don't get why any announcements can't be put in front of parliament tomorrow .
What data elements to it are so critical when nothing of significance could change between one day to the next.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Heathrow CEO has told a Commons select committee today that they are going to start trialling temperature checks in one terminal (T2) from next week. Its a joke how far behind everyone else we are.

A TRIAL? Of a TEMPERATURE CHECK? (which is useless if the person is asymptomatic) At ONE terminal? Over SIX WEEKS after lockdown? Utter joke.

This should be something we can control quite well. They have to go through border control so while there get details, intended travel plans etc. They could even enforce isolation if they'd wanted on public health grounds. If a country doesn't like it then ban flights from that country. If you've got people abroad to bring home charter flights specifically for them - not like there isn't spare runway capacity at the moment even without considering the use of RAF bases.

If one person on a flight has a tempature is everyone on that flight then going to be forced to isolate in case? Because in a closed plane environment (especially long haul and where air is recycled rather than fresh pumped in) it's as close to a pox party as you could get.

 

[David O'Day]

I don't get why any announcements can't be put in front of parliament tomorrow .
What data elements to it are so critical when nothing of significance could change between one day to the next.

It's so he can send Hancock or raab to the commons on Monday and he gets to announce but not face the questions

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[skybluetony176]

What? What's Friday got to do with anything?!?

Doing it Sunday gives them an extra couple of days to hope a solution accidentally falls in their lap.

 

[chiefdave]

This should be something we can control quite well. They have to go through border control so while there get details, intended travel plans etc. They could even enforce isolation if they'd wanted on public health grounds. If a country doesn't like it then ban flights from that country. If you've got people abroad to bring home charter flights specifically for them - not like there isn't spare runway capacity at the moment even without considering the use of RAF bases.

Have a mate who is Australian. He was working in the US but has returned home. Upon arrival it was straight into mandatory government 14 day quarantine. Everyone gets the same treatment irrespective of if anyone on the flight has symptoms or a high temperature. Non citizens aren't allowed in the country at all.

Last day I can find figures for in Australia is 2 days ago, 26 new cases and 1 death.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Have a mate who is Australian. He was working in the US but has returned home. Upon arrival it was straight into mandatory government 14 day quarantine. Everyone gets the same treatment irrespective of if anyone on the flight has symptoms or a high temperature. Non citizens aren't allowed in the country at all.

Last day I can find figures for in Australia is 2 days ago, 26 new cases and 1 death.

Yep we could and probably should have done the same. I admit I didn’t realise this at the time though

 

[wingy]

I do wonder .
When the time is right.
Whether the incumbent Gov't of the day.
Will have to own this .
As Labour has 2008.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Passenger flights are now being used for freight movement I know someone who works for BA and they still have manned cabin crew but they are using them to transport goods

Yes you are correct, there are now passenger planes being used for cargo specifically.

However, there are still a core amount of flights coming in even today from China (as an example), which are scheduled daily services.

With no one being checked it is a total joke.

 

[Grendel]

Yes you are correct, there are now passenger planes being used for cargo specifically.

However, there are still a core amount of flights coming in even today from China (as an example), which are scheduled daily services.

With no one being checked it is a total joke.

China is virus free isn’t it?

 

[djr8369]

So, with Ferguson being forced to resign and Hancock saying it’s a matter for the police when can we expect Robert Jenrick to resign and the police to visit Stanley Johnson?

Amazed nobody is pushing them on this point but I haven't seen a thing?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Politics in the UK needs a complete overhaul.

Whilst I do doubt some figures from countries like Germany and Sweden, we do look to be at the but end of this virus well and truly. It's a fucking disgrace.

Our lockdown doesn't differ that much from many other countries, but it seems to me we are trying to plug the bath whilst there is a hole in the side of it.

Why the fuck are planes landing with no passenger checks? This is the same narrative that aggravates the UKIP crew and it's easy to see why they get a platform. We have no control over our borders. Might as well say welcome to Great Britian - country of complete mugs.

The tories are fucking useless and not fit for purpose, whilst labour are continuously rejected by the electorate. Both of them need fucking off or a complete overhaul.

I've fucking had enough.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

China is virus free isn’t it?

Water also isn't wet.

 

[shmmeee]

Amazed nobody is pushing them on this point but I haven't seen a thing?

Probably too busy writing up Mildred from Hemel Hempstead’s question on whether lockdown will affect her allotment planting this year, or a cute puff piece on how baby Wilfred is already burbling shite just like his Dad.

 

[fernandopartridge]

There were 18.1 million arrivals into UK passenger terminals- (plane, ferry, land) between January 1st and 22nd March.

Of that 18.1 million, 273 were checked and quarantined.

Whatever is happening now its too late, the damage was already done while we were dithering.

Assume that 273 is that flight load that was transported up to the Wirral on 30th January, another PR stunt?

 

[MusicDating]

UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal

 

[djr8369]

I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?

Maybe it's like the five tests, they're under pressure to come up with something so will just wing it then modify it later?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal

I know Dr Levy

 

[fernandopartridge]

UK finds itself almost alone with centralized virus contact-tracing app that probably won't work well, asks for your location, may be illegal

The sub-header is "herd immunity again" - i think that's right but it isn't herd immunity again, it's never gone away. Everything is still about trying to protect the NHS whilst generally letting the virus spread, hence why the health authorities are using it to monitor centrally rather than users having sight of their own data. It is disgusting.

 

[wingy]

I don't get why any announcements can't be put in front of parliament tomorrow .
What data elements to it are so critical when nothing of significance could change between one day to the next.

IDK is it a matter of presentation and appearing presidential.
Then I look at the use of the force's .
Testing and the Nightingales.
The Nightingales came in at a significant sum and it would have been contractors.
The Army may have been involved logistically .
Then the photoshots of Matt unloading manually a Luton Transit ,not A40 footer full of pallets Rodney .
Just feels a bit like when Blair stuck the tanks around Heathrow.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The pseudonymous data from the tracing app will be flogged to health insurance companies, i've no doubt about that.

 

[wingy]

The sub-header is "herd immunity again" - i think that's right but it isn't herd immunity again, it's never gone away. Everything is still about trying to protect the NHS whilst generally letting the virus spread, hence why the health authorities are using it to monitor centrally rather than users having sight of their own data. It is disgusting.

Dave King again today Reiterates this view.

 

[David O'Day]

Bundesliga played by german government to restart by end of month

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[fernandopartridge]

IDK is it a matter of presentation and appearing presidential.
Then I look at the use of the force's .
Testing and the Nightingales.
The Nightingales came in at a significant sum and it would have been contractors.
The Army may have been involved logistically .
Then the photoshots of Matt unloading manually a Luton Transit ,not A40 footer full of pallets Rodney .
Just feels a bit like when Blair stuck the tanks around Heathrow.

I heard from colleagues who bought all the kit for the Manchester one that the army wouldn't do the logistics for it in the end, as they would not go into the hospital once it opened due to the risk of infection. Bit of a shambles really.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Dave King again today Reiterates this view.

Where's that?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

China is virus free isn’t it?

Yeh course it is, in their eyes they probably never even had it there.

 

[Ian1779]

Yeah I’m not gonna lie. He caved way too easily and it seems his supporters aren’t following him to fall in line this time. Biden said he would veto single payer healthcare even if all he had to do was sign his name-madness

Biden reminds me of the guy who didn’t go to the alien planet in Cocoon.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I was just watching Irish news, it said that a guy in France who was admitted for pneumonia on December 27th (before China even notified the WHO of its first case) has since been found to have had COVID-19. So it is now beyond doubt that the virus was circulating in Europe at the back end of 2019. The theory is that this might indicate that we are actually already in the second wave. I have no clue if that theory is realistic or not, but I am guessing it would be good news if so.

French hospital discovers it had case of coronavirus in December

I did have a pretty foul chest infection for a few weeks in February, but not really a temperature. It was slightly painful to breathe for a few days after but could have just been a routine bug.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Biden reminds me of the guy who didn’t go to the alien planet in Cocoon.

His whole campaign is like ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’

 

[Astute]

Very clear from his performance today why he does his best to avoid PMQs. Without a friendly crowd and being able to palm questions off onto others he was like a rabbit in the headlights.

And what I was looking forward to when Starmer was announced as Labour leader. Boris and his one liners will be struggling.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So they signed in with your name? OK.

Think this has run its course brah have a good day

 

[Astute]

Our lockdown doesn't differ that much from many other countries

What other countries have been as soft as us?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What other countries have been as soft as us?

The country that the British right look up to