Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (2 Viewers)

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?

So people don't flount the 'rules' during the bank holiday this week perhaps?

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

So people don't flount the 'rules' during the bank holiday this week perhaps?

What he's effectively hinting is it's all going to come down next week... so people will flout the rules anyway as there's no message other than 'we have a cunning plan.'

 

[shmmeee]

I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?

Government scared of scrutiny and prefers to play with friendly media even in times of national crisis?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So people don't flount the 'rules' during the bank holiday this week perhaps?

All the more reason to reiterate that nothing has changed and we are still staying home (unless you fancy some sex) protecting the nhs (unless you are from a care home then we’ll send you back to infect all the vulnerable people there and save lives (but not in a South Korea or a New Zealand kind of way) Yours KING BORIS

 

[clint van damme]

How utterly depressing the news is today. That dickhead Hancock now on about "backing the police" in prosecuting Neil Ferguson. He was tight lipped when Robert Jenrick arguably did much worse.

Johnson comes out with another target to be missed, more soundbites, more bluster, more deaths. Fuck the Tories.

I thought it was a much better performance from Ikea Starmer today if I'm honest.
Though he wasn't up against much. Don't think Johnson properly answered one question and eventually, as you say, got goaded into setting another unachievable target on testing.

When all this is done and we start Brexit negotiations we're going to get absolutely rinsed with this mob in charge.

 

[David O'Day]

The dibble aren't taking any further action against Ferguson. It was a smoke screen to mask the appalling death rate and the fact that Boris is having his arse handed to him at the latest PMQs

He's just blurted out 200k tests a day by end of may

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I'd imagine what's more likely is the government will try and pimp out UK health care in their trade talks with the US..

I fear you may be right. I'll stop sort of suggesting it is intentional to use the excuse our health system can't cope, but even so the US are one of the few places that have (thus far) to have dealth with it even worse than we have.

So to potentially put the health service on the table to a country whose system has been even worse than ours is just ridiculous.

We really do need to consider stepping away from the 'special relationship' (by which I largely men abusive and one way) a little bit, and especially so if Trump is re-elected and make new ones that are more progressive.

How about a Boston Coffee Party if Trump gets back in? Go to Lincolnshire and dump a load of Americano into the Wash?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Two thirds of Africans in 20 countries said that they would run out of food And water if they had to stay at home for 14 days. Wow!

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

What he's effectively hinting is it's all going to come down next week... so people will flout the rules anyway as there's no message other than 'we have a cunning plan.'

So either way the messaging is a colossal balls up.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Even though I quoted you saying so?

OK will admit you don't mention your degree although you admitted you have mentioned your degree several times. And I admit you never said that smokers would have more severe effects from the virus although the quote shows you did and your degree was the reason for knowing so.

Happy now?

It’s not just me saying it it’s the WHO dude

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?

erm because maybe its bank holiday?

 

[David O'Day]

erm because maybe its bank holiday?

What does Friday being a bank holiday have to.do.with releasing plans on a Sunday

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[clint van damme]

I don't get this 'we've got a cunning plan, but we won't release it until Sunday, so you're all ready for it for Monday'. Wtf is that all about?

I can't believe Johnson committed himself to working a Sunday.
Bone idle fuck can't normally complete a basic week.
He'll probably volunteer one of his lackeys.

 

[Astute]

I thought it was a much better performance from Ikea Starmer today if I'm honest.
Though he wasn't up against much. Don't think Johnson properly answered one question and eventually, as you say, got goaded into setting another unachievable target on testing.

When all this is done and we start Brexit negotiations we're going to get absolutely rinsed with this mob in charge.

Our flat pack Labour party leader does seem to be finding his feet.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

have you seen some of the pictures coming from America? It's madness. Packed parks, packed beaches, it's a little bit more understandable here, a combination of cabin fever and number of deaths decreasing is leading to people getting a little complacent, even though this is the time we really need to hold firm, but their numbers are going through the roof.

My daughters placement in Washington has been cancelled and she finds out today if she is going to be relocated to another part of the country, I really hope she isn't.
Trump even talking about disbanding the COVID 19 task force, it's crazy.

It is utter madness. The talk in the press conferences of winning the battle and past the peak and almost immediately talking about easing of restrictions. Considering Trump has put all these travel restrictions in place from abroad (always the foreigners) the fact it's still a growing problem there indicates his administrations handling of it has been awful and worse than ours. IMO it should be top of our list in terms of travel restrictions for the foreseeable future they've handled it so badly. But it won't be. All in the name of the economy (which has still been massively affected). I'd love this to be the 'wake up call' to Americans that this consumerist chasing of money is a ridiculous way to run a society.

Although I'm sorry your daughter has missed out on that opportunity I think it may well be for the best.

Someone said yesterday is anyone surprised numbers aren't falling quicker, I think a big part of it is a bit of complacency and people not following lockdown to quite the same level as before. Definitely more people about, more people visiting others etc.

 

[Skybluefaz]

erm because maybe its bank holiday?

No its so they don't have to provide the detail. Take school closures as an example.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The dibble aren't taking any further action against Ferguson. It was a smoke screen to mask the appalling death rate and the fact that Boris is having his arse handed to him at the latest PMQs

He's just blurted out 200k tests a day by end of may

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Well in any case, how could they charge him as technically it was his lover who broke the law as written.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

erm because maybe its bank holiday?

What? What's Friday got to do with anything?!?

 

[Astute]

It’s not just me saying it it’s the WHO dude

So they signed in with your name? OK.

 

[Grendel]

Sadly, they are not.

I just checked all current airborne flights into Heathrow in the world right now. Nearly all of them are passenger flights which are scheduled, including the ones coming from China.

Passenger flights are now being used for freight movement I know someone who works for BA and they still have manned cabin crew but they are using them to transport goods

 

[David O'Day]

Well in any case, how could they charge him as technically it was his lover who broke the law as written.

When has the fact you have not broken a law ever stopped the plod?

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

no one could have gone in to journalism wanting to be as shit at their jobs as they are, what happened to change them?
Anyone who cares about democracy and accountability should be appalled no matter what their political leaning.

Control their purse strings - people still have to live. Lots of wannabe 'journalists out there so if you restrict the job opportunities for those that actually do their job properly in favour of those that just write from whatever angle you want those proper journalists either have to suffer the difficulty of finding publications for their stories and financial hardship for their integrity or tow the line and give them the easy ride. I keep on having to check Kuennesberg is a BBC employee and not govt press officer.

It's truly frightening.

 

[tisza]

Government scared of scrutiny and prefers to play with friendly media even in times of national crisis?

for sure.
That's why they've been indecisive and then followed that by not rigorously enforcing the measures they belatedly put in place.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Passenger flights are now being used for freight movement I know someone who works for BA and they still have manned cabin crew but they are using them to transport goods

There were 18.1 million arrivals into UK passenger terminals- (plane, ferry, land) between January 1st and 22nd March.

Of that 18.1 million, 273 were checked and quarantined.

Whatever is happening now its too late, the damage was already done while we were dithering.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Lots of passenger flights, from all over the place. No controls.

I was wondering why the news wasn't covering this and my thoughts were them being told by some govt official "If you report on this it'll undermine lockdown effectiveness as people will think if they're letting these pople in with no checks/quarantine why and I allowing myself to be stuck inside. This could lead to a second wave and do YOU want to be responsible for that?"

When in reality the people responsible are those letting the people in (and thus a high probability of the virus being spread publicly or even worse a new mutated strain from abroad), not those reporting it.

 

[shmmeee]

There were 18.1 million arrivals into UK passenger terminals- (plane, ferry, land) between January 1st and 22nd March.

Of that 18.1 million, 273 were checked and quarantined.

Whatever is happening now its too late, the damage was already done while we were dithering.

Got to love Tory projection.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I was wondering why the news wasn't covering this and my thoughts were them being told by some govt official "If you report on this it'll undermine lockdown effectiveness as people will think if they're letting these pople in with no checks/quarantine why and I allowing myself to be stuck inside. This could lead to a second wave and do YOU want to be responsible for that?"

When in reality the people responsible are those letting the people in (and thus a high probability of the virus being spread publicly or even worse a new mutated strain from abroad), not those reporting it.

I was just watching Irish news, it said that a guy in France who was admitted for pneumonia on December 27th (before China even notified the WHO of its first case) has since been found to have had COVID-19. So it is now beyond doubt that the virus was circulating in Europe at the back end of 2019. The theory is that this might indicate that we are actually already in the second wave. I have no clue if that theory is realistic or not, but I am guessing it would be good news if so.

French hospital discovers it had case of coronavirus in December

 

[Ring Of Steel]

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Of that 18.1m, not a single person was screened or checked. Only 4 flights- 3 from Wuhan and 1 from Tokyo were taken straight to quarantine.

Before anyone quibbles over the source of this- they are the government's own figures.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

An interesting read
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

"A former Australian high commissioner to Britain, Mike Rann, says crucial mistakes were made right when they had the most damaging impact: "The earliest stages were handled negligently," Rann says. "A shambles of mixed messaging, poor organisation and a complacent attitude that what was happening in Italy wouldn't happen here." (we certainly saw plenty of that on here with the 'would you rather be in Italy' jibes)

Around the world people are highlighting the UK as a case study in how to get it wrong, with the overall tone being speed to react. When taking out the fine details of the plan- lockdown, social distancing etc, you come back to the same conclusion- that it was all done slowly, without clarity, and with a lot of confusion. There is a very clear correlation between speed to react & clarity/ enforcement of instructions and 'success' in controlling. The countries that have done best- no matter what the details were on what they did, they did it fast and efficiently. The countries that have done worst- they acted slowly and with no clear message.

Problem we have had is that not only were we slow out of the blocks & unclear on what the plan was with confusion all over the place- we compounded that with the other issues like PPE, care homes- all of which combined to create a recipe for a massive body count, which will continue for some time yet unfortunately, we lost too much time at the start.

Although it's still way to early to say, the early indicators do look like those places that didn't lockdown quickly or hard are suffering the most. The reason for that - worries of the effect on the economy - so hardly surprising those badly affected are predominantly those will the most extreme capitalist ideologies. Literally putting money ahead of people.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Although it's still way to early to say, the early indicators do look like those places that didn't lockdown quickly or hard are suffering the most. The reason for that - worries of the effect on the economy - so hardly surprising those badly affected are predominantly those will the most extreme capitalist ideologies. Literally putting money ahead of people.

And in doing so ending up with a massive cull of money and people. A harsh lesson which we will sadly fail to learn from.

 

[wingy]

I fear you may be right. I'll stop sort of suggesting it is intentional to use the excuse our health system can't cope, but even so the US are one of the few places that have (thus far) to have dealth with it even worse than we have.

So to potentially put the health service on the table to a country whose system has been even worse than ours is just ridiculous.

We really do need to consider stepping away from the 'special relationship' (by which I largely men abusive and one way) a little bit, and especially so if Trump is re-elected and make new ones that are more progressive.

How about a Boston Coffee Party if Trump gets back in? Go to Lincolnshire and dump a load of Americano into the Wash?

I think we're going to need to be really careful with whom we pick as friends in the playground .
The broader the choice the better .

 

[David O'Day]

Dom, come on I'm interested to find out why Friday being a bank holiday has anything to do with anything

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

erm because maybe its bank holiday?

Don't really see that much of a significance given so many people are furloughed at home anyway and most shops are shut. Gotta be rather stupid to think "it's a bank holiday so let's all go out/go to the seaside on our extra day off" when it's no different to any other day.

IMO if you're working from home if possible I'd just continue working like any other day at the moment and have another day to have off in lieu later on. I admit there are many people that don't have that option.

 

[chiefdave]

Of that 18.1m, not a single person was screened or checked. Only 4 flights- 3 from Wuhan and 1 from Tokyo were taken straight to quarantine.

Before anyone quibbles over the source of this- they are the government's own figures.

Heathrow CEO has told a Commons select committee today that they are going to start trialling temperature checks in one terminal (T2) from next week. Its a joke how far behind everyone else we are.

 

[djr8369]

we're a million miles away from emulating what they're doing in South Korea unfortunately and it's highly unlikely we'll ever get there.

Yup, this. It worries me long term about how we are going to manage this.