Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (7 Viewers)

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Remember when it wasn’t worth closing schools?

Or stopping football?

Or how as stocks build it’s slowly turning out that maybe masks will be worth wearing after all.

Over the last week it’s been highlighted how other countries are controlling borders and travellers more and suddenly its worth considering us doing the same. Those silly foreigners were foolishly pursuing policies the effectiveness of which wasn’t proven, what idiots! But actually it turns out it’s a good idea after all. Bravo for the British government for taking effective action!

One could be forgiven for thinking measures become useful just as they become technically feasible and politically tenable. Of course, that can never be proven because they can always say “we’re acting as the science changes” and focus on whatever paper suits the argument at the time.


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I think it actually proves that the people who are concerned about our lack of border control are right in thinking so.

Even during a pandemic we are letting people in without vetting them.

 

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[chiefdave]

I think it actually proves that the people who are concerned about our lack of border control are right in thinking so.

Even during a pandemic we are letting people in without vetting them.

Doesn't that prove the opposite? Shows we have control of our borders from a legal perspective but at just very bad at policing them and enforcing any restrictions.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Doesn't that prove the opposite? Shows we have control of our borders from a legal perspective but at just very bad at policing them and enforcing any restrictions.

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control? I think you need to rethink that one.

Also, did you see the article about the immigration centres? They've just let a whole bunch of people out on the streets.

 

[chiefdave]

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control? I think you need to rethink that one.

Also, did you see the article about the immigration centres? They've just let a whole bunch of people out on the streets.

But the issue with our borders and the issue with releasing people from immigration centres is both down to our government, we can't pass the blame onto someone else. Both are the responsibly of the Home Office. Its not down to something like the EU stopping us doing what we want.

 

[Ian1779]

I think it actually proves that the people who are concerned about our lack of border control are right in thinking so.

Even during a pandemic we are letting people in without vetting them.

I know the point you are trying to make, but the vast majority of people who are coming in unchecked since the advent of Cov-ID 19 are causal travellers rather than people coming in and staying.

I think the immigration debate is an aside to this - but most people would agree the minute this virus took hold we should have restricted travel significantly and then tracked, traced and possibly quarantined everyone who arrived here.

 

[skybluetony176]

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control?

It proves we’ve always had options. The government chose not to implement measures as an exercise in free will. It proves that the fault is with our own sovereign governments decision making.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I've never said this particular issue is the EU's fault for example, just pointing out that generally the view our borders aren't doing their jobs is enhanced here.

We're an island nation and seemingly a complete laughing stock.

What makes it worse is that I'm desperate for a holiday, then when I'm forced to take two weeks holiday in June and I try to go somewhere, the bars in Prague will be open and then I'll be forced into two weeks further self-imprisonment when I get back because the baffoons running the show couldn't have a brain cell between them to actually enforce proper borders in the first place.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control? I think you need to rethink that one.

Also, did you see the article about the immigration centres? They've just let a whole bunch of people out on the streets.

The point was it's been shown that we have control of our own borders rather than EU prescribed (EU countries are enforcing much stronger measures across even the EU borders). We haven't. No because someone else has told us we can't, but because that's the route we've chosen to go down. Same with the immigration centres. Ridiculous decision but one that was chosen by our own govt, not foisted upon them.

Don't want to make this a Brexit thing but how badly we seem to have handled this may well be an indicator in who will negotiate better at the table and make the right choices. It doesn't look like it's going to be us does it? Another thing is shows is that if/when it goes badly they will deflect criticism from themselves onto anyone else to try and wriggle out of responsibility for their own errors

So the point is that if they have an issue with immigration while it may be a bit justified their anger and blame for it has been deliberately focused on the wrong people.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The point was it's been shown that we have control of our own borders rather than EU prescribed (EU countries are enforcing much stronger measures across even the EU borders). We haven't. No because someone else has told us we can't, but because that's the route we've chosen to go down. Same with the immigration centres. Ridiculous decision but one that was chosen by our own govt, not foisted upon them.

Don't want to make this a Brexit thing but how badly we seem to have handled this may well be an indicator in who will negotiate better at the table and make the right choices. It doesn't look like it's going to be us does it? Another thing is shows is that if/when it goes badly they will deflect criticism from themselves onto anyone else to try and wriggle out of responsibility for their own errors

So the point is that if they have an issue with immigration while it may be a bit justified their anger and blame for it has been deliberately focused on the wrong people.

I wasn't talking about the EU in my post.

If we are going down that path, I agree our own government are worth pointing the finger at, maybe for the most part, but the EU were also a problem too. That cannot be denied. 2 problems rather than 1.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I wasn't talking about the EU in my post.

If we are going down that path, I agree our own government are worth pointing the finger at, maybe for the most part, but the EU were also a problem too. That cannot be denied. 2 problems rather than 1.

Sorry. It just came across that way in my head.

You're right it does show we're not controlling the borders but my point on the fact that they tried to blame immigration before and during Brexit on freedom of movement and the EU is largely false. As I've said before we could have done a lot more to control immigration while in the EU (as many other EU nations did in terms of recording etc) but our own govts chose not to implement them. Fact a lot of people they complained about the most weren't from EU countries shows the level of ignorance on the debate and it was just a preference to blame Johnny Foreigner than accept that maybe, just maybe, Britain wasn't making the right choices

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Sorry. It just came across that way in my head.

You're right it does show we're not controlling the borders but my point on the fact that they tried to blame immigration before and during Brexit on freedom of movement and the EU is largely false. As I've said before we could have done a lot more to control immigration while in the EU (as many other EU nations did in terms of recording etc) but our own govts chose not to implement them. Fact a lot of people they complained about the most weren't from EU countries shows the level of ignorance on the debate and it was just a preference to blame Johnny Foreigner than accept that maybe, just maybe, Britain wasn't making the right choices

In a twisted kind of way I think it was both the EU and our government's lack of policing the external European borders which led to it.

I think there is a big cultural difference at least.

 

[PVA]

Stupid pricks.

People can't even go to their loved ones funerals but you carry on with your little sing songs.

 

[clint van damme]

Stupid pricks.

People can't even go to their loved ones funerals but you carry on with your little sing songs.

As someone said, 'we salute the sacrifice you made, by not being arsed to make one ourselves.'

 

[Sick Boy]

Stupid pricks.

People can't even go to their loved ones funerals but you carry on with your little sing songs.

Fucking idiots.

 

[Grendel]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

 

[Grendel]

I’ll come back next week and I’m sure David Ike has tweeted he’s heard a rumour from Fred West’s ghost that a voice from the patio tells us all this is indeed a conspiracy to kill us all

 

[Ian1779]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

Jolyon is a fuck-wit. That’s pretty universally accepted.

 

[skybluetony176]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

Obsessive bible basher. Imagine if a Labour MP had have posted something on social media describing someone as an obsessive Tora basher. You would quite literally lose your shit shouting about how the Labour Party hates Jews. Hypocrisy.

 

[PVA]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

Are you not well?

You get so hung up on who tweeted it and not the content.

Are you aware that Maugham did not write the article in his tweet? Are you aware that Walker did not film or create the video in his tweet?

 

[Grendel]

Are you not well?

You get so hung up on who tweeted it and not the content.

Are you aware that Maugham did not write the article in his tweet? Are you aware that Walker did not film or create the video in his tweet?

Er yes I’m perfectly well and I’m evaluating their opinions of the “evidence” - what next? An IRA propaganda piece or an exclusive which brings the government to its knees from a strange fellow who seems to believe a Jewish countdown presenter wants to kill Jeremy Corbyn and is intact a anti Semite

have a look at some of the comments on these marvellous scoops - not exactly positive are they.

Still I’m fine thanks

 

[PVA]

But the video was of selfish picks in the street.

It doesn't matter whether it was posted by Dan Walker, Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn or Kermit the Frog.

 

[Grendel]

But the video was of selfish picks in the street.

It doesn't matter whether it was posted by Dan Walker, Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn or Kermit the Frog.

Mmmmm send them to a gulag as I’m sure two dimensional images reveals all

 

[PVA]

Mmmmm send them to a gulag as I’m sure two dimensional images reveals all

What about the pricks in the conga?

Why are you so reticent to admit people were breaking social distancing rules?

How would admitting that affect your or what you believe in? I don't get it.

 

[Sick Boy]

It sounds as though Johnson is going to (finally) recommend that face masks are worn and employees will have to be provided with them.

 

[clint van damme]

It sounds as though Johnson is going to (finally) recommend that face masks are worn and employees will have to be provided with them.

He hinted at this last week ( a day after one of his lackeys had had a go at Sturgeon for saying the same thing).

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Are you not well?

You get so hung up on who tweeted it and not the content.

Are you aware that Maugham did not write the article in his tweet? Are you aware that Walker did not film or create the video in his tweet?

“Are you not well?”... I like your style

 

[Macca]

Just in a moment of desperate boredom strayed back into the world of Twitter. What an absolute shitfest that is. There is a massive swathe if normal people seemingly educated people that think the UK government is deliberately culling the population. Also it appears that no one should be expected to take responsibly for their own actions and require word for word instructions on how to live.
Personally what I’ve seen over the last few months is a government and a sizeable minority of childlike adults that are completely clueless

 

[Saddlebrains]

'Stay alert' - the government's new coronavirus slogan falls flat




I cant see anything there that says stay at home or dont see people. If this is correct its a massively bold move

 

[clint van damme]

Just in a moment of desperate boredom strayed back into the world of Twitter. What an absolute shitfest that is. There is a massive swathe if normal people seemingly educated people that think the UK government is deliberately culling the population. Also it appears that no one should be expected to take responsibly for their own actions and require word for word instructions on how to live.
Personally what I’ve seen over the last few months is a government and a sizeable minority of childlike adults that are completely clueless

Some of the videos emerging from VE day and from parks around the country yesterday are mind boggling.

Not one fuck given regarding guidelines.
I'm happy to join in with any Tory bashing because they've been useless but no one can blame the politicians and say they aren't aware of what social distancing entails.

There were people who managed to hold street parties and maintain social distancing so I don't know why so many chose to ignore it.

 

[Macca]

I’m happy for the government to take a bashing too but sometimes look at this country and think it’s unmanageable. I was walking with my daughter in the park last week obsessively following the guidelines as usual. There were a couple of coppers walking around reminding people sitting on benches that A this wasn’t really the deal and B if everyone was doing this then it’s going to be a good way for germs to spread. Out of 5 people they spoke to only 1 lot moved immediately 2 others argued the toss for 5 mins and the the other 2 point blanked refused.

everyone is whining today that the new government slogan doesn’t give clear orders. Is that so people no exactly which ones they should disobey

 

[PVA]

This new slogan 'Stay alert' and dropping the stay at home bit is crazy. It is far too early to drop the stay at home bit, especially when you consider that what we have/had is nothing like a lockdown compared to other countries.

'Stay alert' ffs, what does that even mean? They do realise the virus is invisible right?

 

[Macca]

I agree that we should maintain the stay at home message but I don’t think stay alert is that much of an issue. I would apply that as embracing any new flexibility we have but not being a dick about it. So go to the garden centre but don’t lick the cashier.
The problem is so many infantile adults have even struggled to follow social distancing in supermarkets or follow which way an arrow goes so don’t hold out much hope. It’s easier for people to scream at the authorities rather than look a little closer to home

 

[PVA]

I agree that we should maintain the stay at home message but I don’t think stay alert is that much of an issue. I would apply that as embracing any new flexibility we have but not being a dick about it. So go to the garden centre but don’t lick the cashier.
The problem is so many infantile adults have even struggled to follow social distancing in supermarkets or follow which way an arrow goes so don’t hold out much hope. It’s easier for people to scream at the authorities rather than look a little closer to home

Yes exactly, too many people have struggled with the 'Stay at home' message so I think dropping that just gives a green light to these idiots to go back to normal, like all those ridiculous street parties.

You give people an inch and they will take a mile.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

This new slogan 'Stay alert' and dropping the stay at home bit is crazy. It is far too early to drop the stay at home bit, especially when you consider that what we have/had is nothing like a lockdown compared to other countries.

'Stay alert' ffs, what does that even mean? They do realise the virus is invisible right?

There’s nothing wrong with it at all, 99% of people have been really responsible with the stay at home message so why won’t it be the same for the new message? If people start taking the piss then the previous measures will be brought back in

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

Who’s the obsessive bible basher?