Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (347 Viewers)

[tisza]

The horse has bolted let’s lock the doors UK 'to bring in 14-day air passenger quarantine'

Doesn't matter unless it is strongly enforced - something UK govt hasn't been willing to do so far.
We've had it here for certain countries since beginning of March and for anyone entering the country since march 16th.
You get a big red sticker for the front of the house/flat. Daily unscheduled police checks. Big fine if you break it, break it a few times then you're removed to a govt quarantine centre (or jail).

 

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[clint van damme]

Doesn't matter unless it is strongly enforced - something UK govt hasn't been willing to do so far.
We've had it here for certain countries since beginning of March and for anyone entering the country since march 16th.
You get a big red sticker for the front of the house/flat. Daily unscheduled police checks. Big fine if you break it, break it a few times then you're removed to a govt quarantine centre (or jail).

Apparently of 73 countries where data is available we're the only who havent been enforcing some sort of quarantine or testing procedure on those entering the country.

 

[PVA]

Apparently of 73 countries where data is available we're the only who havent been enforcing some sort of quarantine or testing procedure on those entering the country.

It really is absurd. We have the benefit of being an island yet do absolutely nothing to take advantage of that benefit.

 

[PVA]

And on that note...




Ridiculous.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

And on that note...




Ridiculous.

It makes sense in a kind of it’s too late what can we do wringing our hands kind of way. Fair to say if we are the most infected nation then no point tracking only those that come in. However at first when Italy and Spain were out in front it was pretty criminal allowing 3000 fans to come from Madrid

 

[clint van damme]

And on that note...




Ridiculous.

Using that logic you wouldn't bother with lock down.

 

[Tommo1993]

And on that note...




Ridiculous.

Nothing quite like pouring fuel on the fire, eh.

 

[tisza]

And on that note...




Ridiculous.

Can anyone explain the logic of the last sentence to me? Genuinely don't see it.

 

[Skybluefaz]

This has been their plan throughout. Leak stuff to the press, see which things get a positive reaction and then go with that. Just utterly spineless, an appalling excuse for leadership.


We are a nation of idiots though. Half the population is utterly brain dead. These people don't care about VE day, they probably don't even know what VE stands for, but they're using it as an excuse for a piss up while ignoring all rules. No doubt they will be out clapping the NHS on Thursday night too, despite not caring about potentially spreading the disease, hypocritical wankers

Just seen this. Fucking stupid bastards.

 

[Grendel]

Probably about as sane as most of the twitter links on here

 

[wingy]

Yeah it's fanaticism as has got to the point it's dangerous and people are dying because of wrong decision but it's not patriotic to ask questions or demand better.

Can anyone explain the logic of the last sentence to me? Genuinely don't see it.

Rinse and repeat until herd achieved.

 

[shmmeee]

Good thread on schools IMO:

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Using that logic you wouldn't bother with lock down.

Exactly.

While most have us have been making massive sacrifices for the last two months, once again our advantage of being an island nation is not used.

Flights still landing with people that have come from fuck knows where, just allowed to waltz straight in and join the queue at Homebase.

Makes a mockery out of it all and makes you question the point of staying in.

 

[stupot07]

Good thread on schools IMO:

That's a great thread and so true.

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[djr8369]

Can anyone explain the logic of the last sentence to me? Genuinely don't see it.

It’s only worth taking action once the R value has fallen which is achieved by taking action.


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[hill83]

Can anyone explain the logic of the last sentence to me? Genuinely don't see it.

Thick cunts effectively. Or on the wind up to see how far people will brown nose them. Got to be.

 

[djr8369]

It’s only worth taking action once the R value has fallen which is achieved by taking action.


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Remember when it wasn’t worth closing schools?

Or stopping football?

Or how as stocks build it’s slowly turning out that maybe masks will be worth wearing after all.

Over the last week it’s been highlighted how other countries are controlling borders and travellers more and suddenly its worth considering us doing the same. Those silly foreigners were foolishly pursuing policies the effectiveness of which wasn’t proven, what idiots! But actually it turns out it’s a good idea after all. Bravo for the British government for taking effective action!

One could be forgiven for thinking measures become useful just as they become technically feasible and politically tenable. Of course, that can never be proven because they can always say “we’re acting as the science changes” and focus on whatever paper suits the argument at the time.


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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Remember when it wasn’t worth closing schools?

Or stopping football?

Or how as stocks build it’s slowly turning out that maybe masks will be worth wearing after all.

Over the last week it’s been highlighted how other countries are controlling borders and travellers more and suddenly its worth considering us doing the same. Those silly foreigners were foolishly pursuing policies the effectiveness of which wasn’t proven, what idiots! But actually it turns out it’s a good idea after all. Bravo for the British government for taking effective action!

One could be forgiven for thinking measures become useful just as they become technically feasible and politically tenable. Of course, that can never be proven because they can always say “we’re acting as the science changes” and focus on whatever paper suits the argument at the time.


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I think it actually proves that the people who are concerned about our lack of border control are right in thinking so.

Even during a pandemic we are letting people in without vetting them.

 

[chiefdave]

I think it actually proves that the people who are concerned about our lack of border control are right in thinking so.

Even during a pandemic we are letting people in without vetting them.

Doesn't that prove the opposite? Shows we have control of our borders from a legal perspective but at just very bad at policing them and enforcing any restrictions.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Doesn't that prove the opposite? Shows we have control of our borders from a legal perspective but at just very bad at policing them and enforcing any restrictions.

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control? I think you need to rethink that one.

Also, did you see the article about the immigration centres? They've just let a whole bunch of people out on the streets.

 

[chiefdave]

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control? I think you need to rethink that one.

Also, did you see the article about the immigration centres? They've just let a whole bunch of people out on the streets.

But the issue with our borders and the issue with releasing people from immigration centres is both down to our government, we can't pass the blame onto someone else. Both are the responsibly of the Home Office. Its not down to something like the EU stopping us doing what we want.

 

[Ian1779]

I think it actually proves that the people who are concerned about our lack of border control are right in thinking so.

Even during a pandemic we are letting people in without vetting them.

I know the point you are trying to make, but the vast majority of people who are coming in unchecked since the advent of Cov-ID 19 are causal travellers rather than people coming in and staying.

I think the immigration debate is an aside to this - but most people would agree the minute this virus took hold we should have restricted travel significantly and then tracked, traced and possibly quarantined everyone who arrived here.

 

[skybluetony176]

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control?

It proves we’ve always had options. The government chose not to implement measures as an exercise in free will. It proves that the fault is with our own sovereign governments decision making.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I've never said this particular issue is the EU's fault for example, just pointing out that generally the view our borders aren't doing their jobs is enhanced here.

We're an island nation and seemingly a complete laughing stock.

What makes it worse is that I'm desperate for a holiday, then when I'm forced to take two weeks holiday in June and I try to go somewhere, the bars in Prague will be open and then I'll be forced into two weeks further self-imprisonment when I get back because the baffoons running the show couldn't have a brain cell between them to actually enforce proper borders in the first place.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Coronavirus proves we have our borders under control? I think you need to rethink that one.

Also, did you see the article about the immigration centres? They've just let a whole bunch of people out on the streets.

The point was it's been shown that we have control of our own borders rather than EU prescribed (EU countries are enforcing much stronger measures across even the EU borders). We haven't. No because someone else has told us we can't, but because that's the route we've chosen to go down. Same with the immigration centres. Ridiculous decision but one that was chosen by our own govt, not foisted upon them.

Don't want to make this a Brexit thing but how badly we seem to have handled this may well be an indicator in who will negotiate better at the table and make the right choices. It doesn't look like it's going to be us does it? Another thing is shows is that if/when it goes badly they will deflect criticism from themselves onto anyone else to try and wriggle out of responsibility for their own errors

So the point is that if they have an issue with immigration while it may be a bit justified their anger and blame for it has been deliberately focused on the wrong people.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The point was it's been shown that we have control of our own borders rather than EU prescribed (EU countries are enforcing much stronger measures across even the EU borders). We haven't. No because someone else has told us we can't, but because that's the route we've chosen to go down. Same with the immigration centres. Ridiculous decision but one that was chosen by our own govt, not foisted upon them.

Don't want to make this a Brexit thing but how badly we seem to have handled this may well be an indicator in who will negotiate better at the table and make the right choices. It doesn't look like it's going to be us does it? Another thing is shows is that if/when it goes badly they will deflect criticism from themselves onto anyone else to try and wriggle out of responsibility for their own errors

So the point is that if they have an issue with immigration while it may be a bit justified their anger and blame for it has been deliberately focused on the wrong people.

I wasn't talking about the EU in my post.

If we are going down that path, I agree our own government are worth pointing the finger at, maybe for the most part, but the EU were also a problem too. That cannot be denied. 2 problems rather than 1.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I wasn't talking about the EU in my post.

If we are going down that path, I agree our own government are worth pointing the finger at, maybe for the most part, but the EU were also a problem too. That cannot be denied. 2 problems rather than 1.

Sorry. It just came across that way in my head.

You're right it does show we're not controlling the borders but my point on the fact that they tried to blame immigration before and during Brexit on freedom of movement and the EU is largely false. As I've said before we could have done a lot more to control immigration while in the EU (as many other EU nations did in terms of recording etc) but our own govts chose not to implement them. Fact a lot of people they complained about the most weren't from EU countries shows the level of ignorance on the debate and it was just a preference to blame Johnny Foreigner than accept that maybe, just maybe, Britain wasn't making the right choices

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Sorry. It just came across that way in my head.

You're right it does show we're not controlling the borders but my point on the fact that they tried to blame immigration before and during Brexit on freedom of movement and the EU is largely false. As I've said before we could have done a lot more to control immigration while in the EU (as many other EU nations did in terms of recording etc) but our own govts chose not to implement them. Fact a lot of people they complained about the most weren't from EU countries shows the level of ignorance on the debate and it was just a preference to blame Johnny Foreigner than accept that maybe, just maybe, Britain wasn't making the right choices

In a twisted kind of way I think it was both the EU and our government's lack of policing the external European borders which led to it.

I think there is a big cultural difference at least.

 

[PVA]

Stupid pricks.

People can't even go to their loved ones funerals but you carry on with your little sing songs.

 

[clint van damme]

Stupid pricks.

People can't even go to their loved ones funerals but you carry on with your little sing songs.

As someone said, 'we salute the sacrifice you made, by not being arsed to make one ourselves.'

 

[Sick Boy]

Stupid pricks.

People can't even go to their loved ones funerals but you carry on with your little sing songs.

Fucking idiots.

 

[Grendel]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

 

[Grendel]

I’ll come back next week and I’m sure David Ike has tweeted he’s heard a rumour from Fred West’s ghost that a voice from the patio tells us all this is indeed a conspiracy to kill us all

 

[Ian1779]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

Jolyon is a fuck-wit. That’s pretty universally accepted.

 

[skybluetony176]

So now a obsessive bible basher and a man who gleefully slaughtered a fox while wearing his wife’s kimono are the establishment on here - well I never

Obsessive bible basher. Imagine if a Labour MP had have posted something on social media describing someone as an obsessive Tora basher. You would quite literally lose your shit shouting about how the Labour Party hates Jews. Hypocrisy.