Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Just saw a stat if you add furloughed and public sector workers together you’ve now got 49% of all employees being paid by the state!

Indeed like labour in the 70’s

 

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[shmmeee]

Good to see they've u-turned on the drop to 60% The pressure to end furlough should be made on employers who can afford to do so and are using the scheme as a means of saving themselves money rather than the workers who have been told to stay at home who will be worried if they will even have a job to go back to.

That doesn't seem right. Would leave the scheme massively open to abuse. Surely if someone is working their employer pays them not the government?

Yeah that confused me as well, hence me asking if I’ve read it right. Is it just wages support?

 

[chiefdave]

This is absolutely disgusting. Hope they find the person responsible.
Rail worker dies with Covid-19 after being spat at

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting watching posters who shouted about how awful socialism was during the election now praising the government for the furlough scheme.

Could you imagine a free market solution to a pandemic?

 

[PVA]

can you show me a Yougov poll that evidences this

Ah your classic response when someone publishes a link that proves your nonsense wrong.

'doesn't count if it's in that publication! Here's the excellent Dan Hodges instead'

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Charles according to you Sir Keith Starter is the labour leader

lol- I get that he winds you up, but you look a bit overly desperate to get his attention now tbh

 

[Grendel]

That can’t be right, opinion on this thread in no way reflects the real world.

It doesn’t and of course you know full well disappointed is your mantra politically

 

[Grendel]

lol- I get that he winds you up, but you look a bit overly desperate to get his attention now tbh

Oh I’m not desperate that badge remains with you

 

[David O'Day]

Ah your classic response when someone publishes a link that proves your nonsense wrong.

'doesn't count if it's in that publication! Here's the excellent Dan Hodges instead'

YouGov are really bad pollsters as well.



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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I think I'll stick to the UK for now though even in times of crisis and uncertainty their prices are still an absolute piss take.

What book you writing? Fiction, non fiction?

It's fiction but I'm struggling a bit with it. Loads of great ideas but lack of plan. I'll probably start a separate thread on it.

 

[Grendel]

YouGov are really bad pollsters as well.



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I guess it was so much better in your day Charles. Why don’t you go and get some bananas monkey boy?

 

[David O'Day]

lol- I get that he winds you up, but you look a bit overly desperate to get his attention now tbh

This me? If so it is really sad but no he is not coming off ignore.

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[shmmeee]

can you show me a Yougov poll that evidences this

YouGov don’t do daily opinion polls, but on their live ratings tracker Johnson currently sits at -13 with 99 heard of him, Starmer at -4 with 44 heard of. So he’s behind there too.

 

[David O'Day]

YouGov don’t do daily opinion polls, but on their live ratings tracker Johnson currently sits at -13 with 99 heard of him, Starmer at -4 with 44 heard of. So he’s behind there too.

Ohhh burn

Call the fire brigade

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[clint van damme]

It's fiction but I'm struggling a bit with it. Loads of great ideas but lack of plan. I'll probably start a separate thread on it.

you done any sort of creative writing before?

 

[shmmeee]

Indeed like labour in the 70’s

Nope. At its height the public sector employed just over 7m people in 1979, half a million fewer than are currently claiming furlough alone.

 

[David O'Day]

Nope. At its height the public sector employed just over 7m people in 1979, half a million fewer than are currently claiming furlough.

Facts bring him out in a rash

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[hill83]

Good work extending the furlough scheme.

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[David O'Day]

Looking at Sunaks comments he says he wants the employers to start to help with the costs of paying the employee.

What happens is an employer says no?

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[PVA]

can you show me a Yougov poll that evidences this

Seeing as you asked so nicely

Yougov shows Johnson's net approval rating falling dramatically, and now one point lower than Starmer.

Do you think that Boris Johnson is doing well or badly as Prime Minister?

Well: 57% (-9)
Badly: 35% (+9)
Net +22 (-18)


Do you think Keir Starmer is doing well or badly as leader of the Labour party?

Well: 40%
Badly: 17%
Net: +23


Boris Johnson approval rating

Keir Starmer approval rating


Look forward to this being ignored or deflected

 

[shmmeee]

Seeing as you asked so nicely

Yougov shows Johnson's net approval rating falling dramatically, and now one point lower than Starmer.

Do you think that Boris Johnson is doing well or badly as Prime Minister?

Well: 57% (-9)
Badly: 35% (+9)
Net +22 (-18)


Do you think Keir Starmer is doing well or badly as leader of the Labour party?

Well: 40%
Badly: 17%
Net: +23


Boris Johnson approval rating

Keir Starmer approval rating


Look forward to this being ignored or deflected

Missed this. I was looking at the popularity ratings. Good work.

 

[David O'Day]

Seeing as you asked so nicely

Yougov shows Johnson's net approval rating falling dramatically, and now one point lower than Starmer.

Do you think that Boris Johnson is doing well or badly as Prime Minister?

Well: 57% (-9)
Badly: 35% (+9)
Net +22 (-18)


Do you think Keir Starmer is doing well or badly as leader of the Labour party?

Well: 40%
Badly: 17%
Net: +23


Boris Johnson approval rating

Keir Starmer approval rating


Look forward to this being ignored or deflected

Haha

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[David O'Day]

Anyway.

It looks like the government want to reduce the amount they pay anyway as they are asking the employer to start to pay part of this furlough wage. So if it does go.to.60 percent government and 20 percent employer if they employer can't pay their part what happens?

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[Ring Of Steel]

Anyway.

It looks like the government want to reduce the amount they pay anyway as they are asking the employer to start to pay part of this furlough wage. So if it does go.to.60 percent government and 20 percent employer if they employer can't pay their part what happens?

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Are they asking or are they telling?

 

[David O'Day]

Are they asking or are they telling?

Not sure it's ambiguous

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are they asking or are they telling?

In their defence no government can indefinitely prop up that amount in wages

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Not sure it's ambiguous

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What a surprise

 

[Grendel]

Nope. At its height the public sector employed just over 7m people in 1979, half a million fewer than are currently claiming furlough alone.

They aren’t employed by the public sector.and if you follow your conclusion then you are saying Mr Johnson is a socialist

 

[David O'Day]

What a surprise

If the employer says no does the employee become redundant or does the government just continue to pay them at 80 percent?

If it's the latter a lot of employers will just be bastards and refuse

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[stupot07]

Fine leadership...

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[Grendel]

Seeing as you asked so nicely

Yougov shows Johnson's net approval rating falling dramatically, and now one point lower than Starmer.

Do you think that Boris Johnson is doing well or badly as Prime Minister?

Well: 57% (-9)
Badly: 35% (+9)
Net +22 (-18)


Do you think Keir Starmer is doing well or badly as leader of the Labour party?

Well: 40%
Badly: 17%
Net: +23


Boris Johnson approval rating

Keir Starmer approval rating


Look forward to this being ignored or deflected

That’s the highest popularity of a sitting prime minister in history and at a time of national crises. Your crushing disappointment is round the corner

 

[Sick Boy]

It doesn’t and of course you know full well disappointed is your mantra politically

Not particularly.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

If the employer says no does the employee become redundant or does the government just continue to pay them at 80 percent?

If it's the latter a lot of employers will just be bastards and refuse

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I guess nobody knows yet. Very confusing.

 

[PVA]

That’s the highest popularity of a sitting prime minister in history and at a time of national crises. Your crushing disappointment is round the corner

So you went for option B, deflect.

 

[chiefdave]

If the employer says no does the employee become redundant or does the government just continue to pay them at 80 percent?

If it's the latter a lot of employers will just be bastards and refuse

Not everyone who is on furlough is currently getting 80% that's what they're getting if their employer refuses to pay the remaining 20%

Does that mean if the government are going to ask for a further 20% and the employer refuses those employers drop to 60% anyway?

Would like to see something around job sharing brought in. At my company there's multiple people in the same role and about 50% of the staff furloughed. Could the scheme be adjusted so rather than furloughing one person and the other working full time as usual both work half a week?