Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (242 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

TBF you’re right. There’s issues with the existing scheme. But keeping it in was the right decision compared to tapering off the furlough payments.

Yes it was but he has only done that because of the negative press.

The tapering stories came from downing street. He has tinkered with the details as well also he could of fix these issues but doesn't want to

He is steadfastly refusing to fix the issues though like Dom is refusing to talk about the details of the policy.

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[Deleted member 5849]

TBF you’re right. There’s issues with the existing scheme. But keeping it in was the right decision compared to tapering off the furlough payments.

Proper lefty policy that innit. Bravo for state aid!

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

That would sound open to abuse if so!

This, I fear, is the beginnings of "the new normal"..... Classic shock doctrine politics going on here & elsewhere around the world...

 

[David O'Day]

What that millions will actually have a wage, don't see anything wrong with that.... seems that you clearly do and that's weird

That is not what I said is it Dom.

Why are you lying about what I said?

I have said we should talk about the flaws in the scheme that should of been fixed by now but haven't. The flaws that mean real people go without.

But you just choose to lie about what I said.

You are both weird and in the words of the primitive really really stupid.

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Krankie is a terrible leader, so it doesn’t surprise me Scotland are behaving the way they are when it comes to sticking together as the UK through this

Every bit of the UK is sticking together behind the Stay at Home advice except us.

 

[shmmeee]

Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

 

[David O'Day]

Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

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But grenners said this wasn't happening

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[Liquid Gold]

if you're taking furlough payments while you have savings then you should never be able to criticise anybody sponging off the state again. What we're witnessing is pretty much unprecedented socialism.

 

[PVA]

Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

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Oh dear.

Look forward to Grendel's response to this after I pointed out Johnson's approval rate was dropping by the day and he deflected.

 

[David O'Day]

Come on Dom

As the government calls their minimum wage a living wage which it isn't. Anybody being paid less than this is not earning another money to have a reasonable standard of life. As a large amount of the furloughed workers are now earning 80 percent of the minimum wage and this are in less than the government admits is needed for a reasonable existence what should we do?

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Agree with you - I'm just saying that it is interesting that whatever decision Boris/whoever makes for 'England' is likely to be challenged at every turn as it accentuates the fact that they are a different country, Do you think that Boris/PM/whoever is leading us doesn't have saving lives at the forefront? If we were talking Trump, then I'll concede.

With Johnson you're never sure exactly what his opinion is - he changes it every five minutes depending on what he thinks will be popular. He has made speeches in the past that seemingly put economic worth over human well-being, but again that may well have been playing to his particular audience.

But the one thing I would say is graft, hard work and details are hardly his forte, so I expect much of what is going into policy is left to his advisors. When you look at the likes of Cummings you could definitely make a case that saving lives isn't at the forefront of their thinking. When you've employed eugenicists on your team it may well even be contrary to their thinking.

 

[Walsgrave]

if you're taking furlough payments while you have savings then you should never be able to criticise anybody sponging off the state again. What were witnessing is pretty much unprecedented socialism.

Socialist solutions for the capitalists when the capitalists are doing badly. And not just that; socialism would imply an equal distribution - whereas furlough means that those in highly paid jobs get paid more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing).

 

[Skybluefaz]

There is evidence that sturgeon was involved in the lies exposed in the salmond trial. She is a far less popular leader in Scotland than Johnson is here. Sturgeon in normal times would be finished

She’s a serial opportunist who only went “off message” as she was banned from the last COVID meeting because she kept doing press conferences immediately afterwards to try and show influence and leadership

This virus is preventing salmond from his legal action. An action that will bring her down

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Come on Dom

As the government calls their minimum wage a living wage which it isn't. Anybody being paid less than this is not earning another money to have a reasonable standard of life. As a large amount of the furloughed workers are now earning 80 percent of the minimum wage and this are in less than the government admits is needed for a reasonable existence what should we do?

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There is lots of various support available for people and millions will be glad they will be getting 80% of their income till October, hopefully by then everyone will be back at work i think by September this will be well under control

 

[PVA]

Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

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Will Dom and Grendel now admit that they are not in the majority in thinking Johnson and the government have handled this well?

That this thread isn't just biased or 'full of lefties'?

That actually the majority of people think they've handled it appallingly?

 

[Liquid Gold]

There is lots of various support available for people and millions will be glad they will be getting 80% of their income till October, hopefully by then everyone will be back at work i think by September this will be well under control

So you like socialism?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

if you're taking furlough payments while you have savings then you should never be able to criticise anybody sponging off the state again. What were witnessing is pretty much unprecedented socialism.

Maybe thats whats driving Covtarian over the edge, the shame of what he is doing.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Socialist solutions for the capitalists when the capitalists are doing badly. And not just that; socialism would imply an equal distribution - whereas furlough means that those in highly paid jobs get paid more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing).

Yes you're right, but Self Employed though, not sure how that fits into the analogy- lots of smaller self employed have been obliterated by the lack of support, and they are creators of capital for others.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'd try the foreign office website, or search the name of the country and travel restrictions.

As for Spain, they are quarantining all new arrivals for 14 days but that's only due to currently last another 12 days so you should be alright in 5 weeks.

To be honest, you sound desperate for a break and I'm the same but you're probably better holding on until things improve globally, I think international travel will be a massive ball ache at the minute.

Yeah, that's exactly right. As you said that is currently in place until May 25th in Spain.

The other European countries seem a bit difficult to obtain information so I'm hoping things will get announced soon.

I know it's not a priority in the grand scheme of things but the thought of being stuck here for much longer is sending me mad!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Personally, I'd postpone it. Even if you manage it, it might not be the relaxing break you were hoping for!

Noted.

I'm writing a book though so wanna go somewhere nice to bash out some words.

 

[djr8369]

This, I fear, is the beginnings of "the new normal"..... Classic shock doctrine politics going on here & elsewhere around the world...

Sorry, don’t understand what you’re getting at here? What would abusing furlough have to do with shock doctrine politics?

 

[Grendel]

I also like "Covtarian" as a name, makes him sound like a Doctor Who villain from Wood End in the year 2864

Would help if you spelt it correctly

 

[David O'Day]

There is lots of various support available for people and millions will be glad they will be getting 80% of their income till October, hopefully by then everyone will be back at work i think by September this will be well under control

No there isn't any other support.

They earn too much for uc but not enough to survive.

Come in Dumoprick how do you help these people? It's simple you just don't pay anyone less than minimum wage.

Let's talk about the scheme rather than pulling dates out of your arse that are not based on evidence

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[Liquid Gold]

Yeah, that's exactly right. As you said that is currently in place until May 25th in Spain.

The other European countries seem a bit difficult to obtain information so I'm hoping things will get announced soon.

I know it's not a priority in the grand scheme of things but the thought of being stuck here for much longer is sending me mad!

If I were you and was desperate to get away I'd try and get hold of a camper or a transit that you can make habitable and head up to the highlands for a bit.

 

[David O'Day]

Yes you're right, but Self Employed though, not sure how that fits into the analogy- lots of smaller self employed have been obliterated by the lack of support, and they are creators of capital for others.

Yep and company directors as well

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[djr8369]

Oh dear.

Look forward to Grendel's response to this after I pointed out Johnson's approval rate was dropping by the day and he deflected.

“Would you rather have Dianne Abbott in charge?”

 

[clint van damme]

Noted.

I'm writing a book though so wanna go somewhere nice to bash out some words.

I think I'll stick to the UK for now though even in times of crisis and uncertainty their prices are still an absolute piss take.

What book you writing? Fiction, non fiction?

 

[djr8369]

Good luck with that with the size of a Nursery budget. Forgetting the logistical nightmare, the cleaning / PPE bill will bankrupt any Nursery within weeks.

Clearly the government would have to mandate and pay for this. I don’t expect it to happen as they seem intent on leaving things to be up to the individual and business to sort out.

 

[Grendel]

That is not what I said is it Dom.

Why are you lying about what I said?

I have said we should talk about the flaws in the scheme that should of been fixed by now but haven't. The flaws that mean real people go without.

But you just choose to lie about what I said.

You are both weird and in the words of the primitive really really stupid.

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At least he used his own words and doesn’t steal a quote from a long dead chap in the descent of man - really how sad is that I’m calling you David Darwin from now on

 

[Walsgrave]

Yes you're right, but Self Employed though, not sure how that fits into the analogy- lots of smaller self employed have been obliterated by the lack of support, and they are creators of capital for others.

Yes that's the problem - the tab is being picked up by those who are still working (key workers, and now people in professions such as manufacturing and production who are being encouraged to go back to work) or those who can create capital during times of crises. And so now we have a situation where people who are working are not only risking their lives but are simultaneously responsible for the health of the UK but also for contributing to the government's coffers.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Noted.

I'm writing a book though so wanna go somewhere nice to bash out some words.

Respect to anyone who is trying something like that, fair play to you.

 

[David O'Day]

Also regarding the part time scheme. Labour was asking for this in match but were told it would be far too complicated.



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[wingy]

Yeah, that's exactly right. As you said that is currently in place until May 25th in Spain.

The other European countries seem a bit difficult to obtain information so I'm hoping things will get announced soon.

I know it's not a priority in the grand scheme of things but the thought of being stuck here for much longer is sending me mad!

You might be able to hit the Greek Islands from the end of the month.
What's your boating experience like?

 

[Grendel]

Also regarding the part time scheme. Labour was asking for this in match but were told it would be far too complicated.



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ok mr Darwin

 

[David O'Day]

Dom can you try to answer this one without just pulling a date out of thin air.

Why can't the cut off date be extended to the start of april.from the end of match.

Lots of people have fell through the cracks because they were going to change jobs.



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