Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (10 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

Socialist solutions for the capitalists when the capitalists are doing badly. And not just that; socialism would imply an equal distribution - whereas furlough means that those in highly paid jobs get paid more for doing the same job (i.e. nothing).

Yes you're right, but Self Employed though, not sure how that fits into the analogy- lots of smaller self employed have been obliterated by the lack of support, and they are creators of capital for others.

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'd try the foreign office website, or search the name of the country and travel restrictions.

As for Spain, they are quarantining all new arrivals for 14 days but that's only due to currently last another 12 days so you should be alright in 5 weeks.

To be honest, you sound desperate for a break and I'm the same but you're probably better holding on until things improve globally, I think international travel will be a massive ball ache at the minute.

Yeah, that's exactly right. As you said that is currently in place until May 25th in Spain.

The other European countries seem a bit difficult to obtain information so I'm hoping things will get announced soon.

I know it's not a priority in the grand scheme of things but the thought of being stuck here for much longer is sending me mad!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Personally, I'd postpone it. Even if you manage it, it might not be the relaxing break you were hoping for!

Noted.

I'm writing a book though so wanna go somewhere nice to bash out some words.

 

[djr8369]

This, I fear, is the beginnings of "the new normal"..... Classic shock doctrine politics going on here & elsewhere around the world...

Sorry, don’t understand what you’re getting at here? What would abusing furlough have to do with shock doctrine politics?

 

[Grendel]

I also like "Covtarian" as a name, makes him sound like a Doctor Who villain from Wood End in the year 2864

Would help if you spelt it correctly

 

[David O'Day]

There is lots of various support available for people and millions will be glad they will be getting 80% of their income till October, hopefully by then everyone will be back at work i think by September this will be well under control

No there isn't any other support.

They earn too much for uc but not enough to survive.

Come in Dumoprick how do you help these people? It's simple you just don't pay anyone less than minimum wage.

Let's talk about the scheme rather than pulling dates out of your arse that are not based on evidence

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[Liquid Gold]

Yeah, that's exactly right. As you said that is currently in place until May 25th in Spain.

The other European countries seem a bit difficult to obtain information so I'm hoping things will get announced soon.

I know it's not a priority in the grand scheme of things but the thought of being stuck here for much longer is sending me mad!

If I were you and was desperate to get away I'd try and get hold of a camper or a transit that you can make habitable and head up to the highlands for a bit.

 

[David O'Day]

Yes you're right, but Self Employed though, not sure how that fits into the analogy- lots of smaller self employed have been obliterated by the lack of support, and they are creators of capital for others.

Yep and company directors as well

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[djr8369]

Oh dear.

Look forward to Grendel's response to this after I pointed out Johnson's approval rate was dropping by the day and he deflected.

“Would you rather have Dianne Abbott in charge?”

 

[clint van damme]

Noted.

I'm writing a book though so wanna go somewhere nice to bash out some words.

I think I'll stick to the UK for now though even in times of crisis and uncertainty their prices are still an absolute piss take.

What book you writing? Fiction, non fiction?

 

[djr8369]

Good luck with that with the size of a Nursery budget. Forgetting the logistical nightmare, the cleaning / PPE bill will bankrupt any Nursery within weeks.

Clearly the government would have to mandate and pay for this. I don’t expect it to happen as they seem intent on leaving things to be up to the individual and business to sort out.

 

[Grendel]

That is not what I said is it Dom.

Why are you lying about what I said?

I have said we should talk about the flaws in the scheme that should of been fixed by now but haven't. The flaws that mean real people go without.

But you just choose to lie about what I said.

You are both weird and in the words of the primitive really really stupid.

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At least he used his own words and doesn’t steal a quote from a long dead chap in the descent of man - really how sad is that I’m calling you David Darwin from now on

 

[Walsgrave]

Yes you're right, but Self Employed though, not sure how that fits into the analogy- lots of smaller self employed have been obliterated by the lack of support, and they are creators of capital for others.

Yes that's the problem - the tab is being picked up by those who are still working (key workers, and now people in professions such as manufacturing and production who are being encouraged to go back to work) or those who can create capital during times of crises. And so now we have a situation where people who are working are not only risking their lives but are simultaneously responsible for the health of the UK but also for contributing to the government's coffers.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Noted.

I'm writing a book though so wanna go somewhere nice to bash out some words.

Respect to anyone who is trying something like that, fair play to you.

 

[David O'Day]

Also regarding the part time scheme. Labour was asking for this in match but were told it would be far too complicated.



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[wingy]

Yeah, that's exactly right. As you said that is currently in place until May 25th in Spain.

The other European countries seem a bit difficult to obtain information so I'm hoping things will get announced soon.

I know it's not a priority in the grand scheme of things but the thought of being stuck here for much longer is sending me mad!

You might be able to hit the Greek Islands from the end of the month.
What's your boating experience like?

 

[Grendel]

Also regarding the part time scheme. Labour was asking for this in match but were told it would be far too complicated.



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ok mr Darwin

 

[David O'Day]

Dom can you try to answer this one without just pulling a date out of thin air.

Why can't the cut off date be extended to the start of april.from the end of match.

Lots of people have fell through the cracks because they were going to change jobs.



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[SkyBlueDom26]

Why can't the cut off date be extended to the start of april.from the end of match.





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How can you expect me to answer that question, i don't make the rules

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Noted.

I'm writing a book though so wanna go somewhere nice to bash out some words.

Might end up more like a gulag than holiday camp!

 

[Grendel]

Dom can you try to answer this one without just pulling a date out of thin air.

Why can't the cut off date be extended to the start of april.from the end of match.

Lots of people have fell through the cracks because they were going to change jobs.



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The end of Match Charles? How is the beard in lockdown?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

How can you expect me to answer that question, i don't make the rules

But theoretically if you were, why can't it be changed?

 

[David O'Day]

How can you expect me to answer that question, i don't make the rules

That's not an answer. You can actually think about things rather than just being a nodding dog.

The scheme is massively flawed and while it is welcome they have backtracked on tapering the payments they have missed a massive chance to fix the glaring flaws.

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[skybluetony176]

Would help if you spelt it correctly

Didn’t you misspell of yesterday?

 

[David O'Day]

But theoretically if you were, why can't it be changed?

This is the question

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[PVA]

How can you expect me to answer that question, i don't make the rules

What are your thoughts on the public opinion that Johnson has handled this appallingly, and has a lower rating than Starmer?

 

[David O'Day]

Didn’t you misspell of yesterday?

Igoulding

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[Grendel]

That's not an answer. You can actually think about things rather than just being a nodding dog.

The scheme is massively flawed and while it is welcome they have backtracked on tapering the payments they have missed a massive chance to fix the glaring flaws.

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Charles can you show me where it was going to be reduced to 60% are you a civil servant?

 

[Grendel]

Igoulding

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Charles according to you Sir Keith Starter is the labour leader

 

[shmmeee]

Just saw a stat if you add furloughed and public sector workers together you’ve now got 49% of all employees being paid by the state!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just saw a stat if you add furloughed and public sector workers together you’ve now got 49% of all employees being paid by the state!

Brilliant

 

[Grendel]

What are your thoughts on the public opinion that Johnson has handled this appallingly, and has a lower rating than Starmer?

can you show me a Yougov poll that evidences this

 

[chiefdave]

Good to see they've u-turned on the drop to 60% The pressure to end furlough should be made on employers who can afford to do so and are using the scheme as a means of saving themselves money rather than the workers who have been told to stay at home who will be worried if they will even have a job to go back to.

Really good announcement if I’m reading it correctly. Still 80% of wages paid and no longer requiring staff to not be working? Is that right? My only question is if people are working, wouldn’t they be getting full pay? Little confused.

That doesn't seem right. Would leave the scheme massively open to abuse. Surely if someone is working their employer pays them not the government?

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Just saw a stat if you add furloughed and public sector workers together you’ve now got 49% of all employees being paid by the state!

Interesting watching posters who shouted about how awful socialism was during the election now praising the government for the furlough scheme.

 

[Sick Boy]

Johnson’s approval drops 17 points in a day! Now below Starmer.

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That can’t be right, opinion on this thread in no way reflects the real world.