Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (9 Viewers)

Blind-Faith · May 14, 2020

Wait till the deaths are below say 100 a day and they can give us more of a clue on the R number, none of this BS between 0.5-0.9. I know it varies from location to location, but surely it’s better to wait for this, than having a second spike and we’re back to square one and shut down for another 2 months?

P.S I really don’t wanna go back to work Monday so I’m also annoyed they’ve started lifting it

Deleted member 5849 · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
We need to find a safe way out of this

We do. My concern atm is we're muddled, confused, and pressing forward just because everybody else is, rather than we feel it's appropriate.

I can forgive mistakes (we *still* don't know how this'll all pan out) but not obfuscation.

chiefdave · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
So what are you saying then? We should stay in lockdown all year

We need to find a safe way out of this

You've answered your own question there. We need a safe way out.

The day lockdown was announced there were 967 new cases and 74 deaths, the day the easing of restrictions was announced there were 3,923 new cases and 268 deaths despite Johnson conveniently picking the Sunday of a bank holiday weekend to make the announcement. So what has changed between the initial lockdown and the easing of restrictions to make it safe to proceed?

SkyBlueDom26 · May 14, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’ve said what conditions I would accept and at least making it below 100 deaths a day would be a start. I also want more biological evidence about transmission, immunity and reliable mass testing.

Greece is nearly reopening as of June 1st-because they’ve never had even 10 deaths in one day. Stop acting like opposing lifting the restrictions means I want endless lockdown, I hate remote teaching and want it over more than most

Good job we have antibody tests now, let’s just hope they get distributed ASAP

Terry Gibson's perm · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Good job we have antibody tests now, let’s just hope they get distributed ASAP

Is that the same have as the ppe from Turkey?

Brighton Sky Blue · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Good job we have antibody tests now, let’s just hope they get distributed ASAP

We do but we are still lacking enough biological knowledge to confirm the extent if any of immunity, and the role of children if any in transmission. Getting this wrong by being impatient will cost us a lot more time in the long run

skybluetony176 · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
You need to look at weekly trends more, was 620+ last Thursday, we’re on a downward trend and things will get better over the next few weeks! Be positive..... cases have also dropped with more testing

Any thoughts on the government poisoning care homes with a deadly virus?

skybluetony176 · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Good job we have antibody tests now, let’s just hope they get distributed ASAP

How many tests do we have? Ballpark.

shmmeee · May 14, 2020

My concern is do we know what caused the massive spike in excess deaths the first time and what’s different now?

Ive still not seen the governments answer for solving the care home issue, or why so many died despite NHS capacity being fine. Seems without a plan to avoid that again we’re just asking for another 50k deaths at least.

That would be more U.K. civilians killed than WW2. And that was over 6 years and decimated the economy. If you want to talk proportionality.

PVA · May 14, 2020

I'm sure Dorries and the other clowns who shared a fake video about Starmer will get the full and just punishment they deserve, along with being told to apologise to Starmer.

Oh wait

Ring Of Steel · May 14, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
We do. My concern atm is we're muddled, confused, and pressing forward just because everybody else is, rather than we feel it's appropriate.

I can forgive mistakes (we *still* don't know how this'll all pan out) but not obfuscation.

The bottom line here is actually very simple.

We fucked everything up in the early days, got every single thing wrong, and as a result we ended up with a major catastrophe worse than any other country aside from USA, and consequently we now have to try and ease lockdown much too fast when we're patently not ready with thousands of new infections every day- and that in turn means there is no safe way to come out of this. A safe way does not exist, there isn't one.

Therefore everything from now on in is a massive risk which needs to be taken in order to try and avoid the country grinding to a halt, and its a risk purely because of the incompetence & blunders which we made right at the start, which have meant we are behind everyone else, but are trying to come out of it at the same time as them.

chiefdave · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
Good job we have antibody tests now, let’s just hope they get distributed ASAP

Antibody tests are a positive no doubt about that. However do we actually have confirmation that if you've had it once you can't get it again. I've read varying reports on that so confirmation would be good.

Now assuming you can't get it again there's over 31 million people in work in the UK, over 10 million kids in schools and over 2 million at university. The current tests we're doing are still failing every day to hit the 100K target, 71,644 people test was the number today. So lets say you priorities the employed and those in education so we can get those sectors up and running. At 100K a day it would take well over a year to test everyone.

Not sure the antibody test is the magic bullet. Especially if early reports of infection rates only being around 5% are true.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 14, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
As much as I don't rate Johnson, I don't like the idea of a single fall guy. The entire government are on the hook for it, it wasn't the work of a single rogue.

No it wasn't but you can't have the faith in the party diminished so someone has to take the bullet for them.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
You need to look at weekly trends more, was 620+ last Thursday, we’re on a downward trend and things will get better over the next few weeks! Be positive..... cases have also dropped with more testing

You spent weeks asking about daily figures. Still, I guess that you got the message about taking in trends is encouraging. We are on a downward trend but it's a very slow downward trend.

But after the return of people to work a week or two from now will be interesting as I reckon we're going to see a big jump again.

shmmeee · May 14, 2020

chiefdave said:
Antibody tests are a positive no doubt about that. However do we actually have confirmation that if you've had it once you can't get it again. I've read varying reports on that so confirmation would be good.

Now assuming you can't get it again there's over 31 million people in work in the UK, over 10 million kids in schools and over 2 million at university. The current tests we're doing are still failing every day to hit the 100K target, 71,644 people test was the number today. So lets say you priorities the employed and those in education so we can get those sectors up and running. At 100K a day it would take well over a year to test everyone.

Not sure the antibody test is the magic bullet. Especially if early reports of infection rates only being around 5% are true.

The demand will be huge as well because people will want to be tested as often as possible if there’s an immunity passport. So it’s not just testing everyone once, but potentially testing 90%+ of the population once or twice a week. And how can you justify prioritising certain people? Why would a Tesco worker be less important than a CEO in terms of removing lockdown if we are working already. Also 5% ish won’t be enough to support the leisure industries so they’ll have to keep furloughing workers or massively downsize and go bust. I just don’t see how it helps TBH.

clint van damme · May 14, 2020

chiefdave said:
Antibody tests are a positive no doubt about that. However do we actually have confirmation that if you've had it once you can't get it again. I've read varying reports on that so confirmation would be good.

Now assuming you can't get it again there's over 31 million people in work in the UK, over 10 million kids in schools and over 2 million at university. The current tests we're doing are still failing every day to hit the 100K target, 71,644 people test was the number today. So lets say you priorities the employed and those in education so we can get those sectors up and running. At 100K a day it would take well over a year to test everyone.

Not sure the antibody test is the magic bullet. Especially if early reports of infection rates only being around 5% are true.

I don't know anything about antibody tests but There's just been some expert on 5live who has said pretty much what you've said. Good news but a long way to go until they tell us anything meaningful.

clint van damme · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
So what are you saying then? We should stay in lockdown all year

We need to find a safe way out of this

Yeah, that's the choice, either lift lock down now or don't lift it until next year. Fucking hell.

chiefdave · May 14, 2020

shmmeee said:
The demand will be huge as well because people will want to be tested as often as possible if there’s an immunity passport.

Exactly. If the 5% thing is right then even if you had some miraculous way to get everyone test once 95% of the population are going to need repeated tests.

We've made such a mess of this that we're been left with no safe way out of it. The question of course is was it just incompetence or was herd immunity the aim all along?

Notice they've gone very quiet on the track and trace trial on the IoW, hopefully not a sign that we've messed that up as well. Really should have had that in place before sending everyone back to work.

shmmeee · May 14, 2020

chiefdave said:
Exactly. If the 5% thing is right then even if you had some miraculous way to get everyone test once 95% of the population are going to need repeated tests.

We've made such a mess of this that we're been left with no safe way out of it. The question of course is was it just incompetence or was herd immunity the aim all along?

Notice they've gone very quiet on the track and trace trial on the IoW, hopefully not a sign that we've messed that up as well. Really should have had that in place before sending everyone back to work.

Honest question: what’s different now to when lockdown started in terms of preventing spread? No track and trace, no app, no explanation of the existing death count.

Seems it’s all hinging on the public being more cautious. But doesn’t everything show we were being cautious prior to lockdown anyway and still had a spike?

I wish I could see something other than repeated lockdowns or huge death counts in the future.

wingy · May 14, 2020

wingy · May 14, 2020

David O'Day · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
You need to look at weekly trends more, was 620+ last Thursday, we’re on a downward trend and things will get better over the next few weeks! Be positive..... cases have also dropped with more testing

You take out the extra low day which was the bank holiday and the trend is a lot flatter

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Ian1779 · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
You need to look at weekly trends more, was 620+ last Thursday, we’re on a downward trend and things will get better over the next few weeks! Be positive..... cases have also dropped with more testing

We are on a downward trend yes, but those reductions in the daily death rate will close in the same way it increased on the way up. It could be at least 10/15 days before we even get the death rate below 100... and that’s working on the assumption that lockdown carries on as before.

David O'Day · May 14, 2020

Ian1779 said:
We are on a downward trend yes, but those reductions in the daily death rate will close in the same way it increased on the way up. It could be at least 10/15 days before we even get the death rate below 100... and that’s working on the assumption that lockdown carries on as before.

Yep we needed to wait the extra weeks.

We needed to gave imposed a 14 day quarantine on anyone coming in as well. Get the local community transmission right down first. That could only take an 3 weeks but no we have basically reopened london

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David O'Day · May 14, 2020

Shapps bragging about having undertaken 90 plus million in rail improvements in the north. It's agreed that the rail infrastructure needs billions

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David O'Day · May 14, 2020

Nice to know the big book of stamps arrived so they could post out a load more tests

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Ring Of Steel · May 14, 2020

wingy said:

One of them is Michael Gove's ex girlfriend

pipkin73 · May 14, 2020

Just received some money, enough to pay for food for about a month but no internet to log on to help (it just aint coming). I gave the people below me full (thans for the help / money) loads of sweets to help with the kids.

wingy · May 14, 2020

pipkin73 said:
Just received some money, enough to pay for food for about a month but no internet to log on to help (it just aint coming). I gave the people below me full (thans for the help / money) loads of sweets to help with the kids.

Glad to hear that Pipkin.
What's the issue with the internet out there?

pipkin73 · May 14, 2020

No issue with the internet out here, just here is ok and i gave the kids lot's of sweets as it seemed ok. Now been told that was nice but stay away

Brylowes · May 14, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
So what are you saying then? We should stay in lockdown all year

We need to find a safe way out of this

No ‘just lockdown properly as other Countries have done and then gradually ease restrictions
when infections are sufficiently low, ffs it’s astonishing how you can’t see what’s happening.
Far from getting back to normal and aiding the economy, we are just going to be In and out of
lockdown which in the long term will be a disaster for everybody and the economy.
Like everything else this Government does ‘there is absolutely no forethought or understanding
applied to working out the best possible scenario, it’s just “economy is contracting” quick get
Everyone back to work.

wingy · May 14, 2020

pipkin73 said:
No issue with the internet out here, just here is ok and i gave the kids lot's of sweets as it seemed ok. Now been told that was nice but stay away

F**kin hell!
Chin up .
What are you allowed to do now regards getting out , doing things?

Blind-Faith · May 14, 2020

Brylowes said:
No ‘just lockdown properly as other Countries have done and then gradually ease restrictions
when infections are sufficiently low, ffs it’s astonishing how you can’t see what’s happening.
Far from getting back to normal and aiding the economy, we are just going to be In and out of
lockdown which in the long term will be a disaster for everybody and the economy.
Like everything else this Government does ‘there is absolutely no forethought or understanding
applied to working out the best possible scenario, it’s just “economy is contracting” quick get
Everyone back to work.

This is what I’m trying to say, pretty much word for word!

Ring Of Steel · May 14, 2020

Brylowes · May 14, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:

Beggars belief!!!

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