bezzer
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I fucking hope so.
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I fucking hope so.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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I’m guessing making libellous claims against a lawyer is the mark of an evolved moron
tisza
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Nothing new.
reports of new rules for Budapest apparently on Monday.
as for foreigners arriving and things like self-quarantining maybe some news from National Govt next week .
i will keep you posted. You can also get news alerts across facebook from the British embassy if you sign up.
Like Johnson lying to his face in PMQs yesterday. I think they'll soon learn it's probably not a good idea.
Brighton Sky Blue
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skybluetony176
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Didn’t the Tories produce a misleading edited video of Starmer during the general election campaign and then had to take it down and apologise?
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Sky Blue Pete
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Again over 3000 infections and 400+ deaths. Really too soon to open up but it does depend on what the aims are. Need some transparency from our government I think
SkyBlueDom26
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You need to look at weekly trends more, was 620+ last Thursday, we’re on a downward trend and things will get better over the next few weeks! Be positive..... cases have also dropped with more testing
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That's really helpful, thank you so much.
Desperate to go to be honest but guess it will be a tight call. If I get over then I'll get you a beer for sure.
Sky Blue Pete
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I’m optimistic but we were 3 weeks later than Italy and Spain and not as severe in the lockdown and are coming out at a similar time. What’s the success criteria? Not 20000 deaths any more as we have flown past that
Blind-Faith
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Give it two weeks and we will be back to more infections and more deaths as more of us go back out. Politicians don’t give a toss anymore. They just want people back to work for the money, if any of us die we’re just a number to them.
clint van damme
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I don't think they will now they've eased these measures unfortunately. We all Seen the pictures of public transport
Next week will be a big test with the hot weather that's on the way as well as some big manufacturers returning to work.
chiefdave
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That was last Friday (626), last Thursday was 5,614 new cases and 539 deaths.
Hopefully we see this trend continue for the next couple of weeks but I can't see how we're not going to have a spike then. Question is how big will that spike be.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hundreds dying a day does not justify the half baked instructions being issued
SkyBlueDom26
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So what are you saying then? We should stay in lockdown all year
We need to find a safe way out of this
Nick
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Stay in lockdown forever else you want to kill loads of people.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I’ve said what conditions I would accept and at least making it below 100 deaths a day would be a start. I also want more biological evidence about transmission, immunity and reliable mass testing.
Greece is nearly reopening as of June 1st-because they’ve never had even 10 deaths in one day. Stop acting like opposing lifting the restrictions means I want endless lockdown, I hate remote teaching and want it over more than most
Blind-Faith
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Wait till the deaths are below say 100 a day and they can give us more of a clue on the R number, none of this BS between 0.5-0.9. I know it varies from location to location, but surely it’s better to wait for this, than having a second spike and we’re back to square one and shut down for another 2 months?
P.S I really don’t wanna go back to work Monday so I’m also annoyed they’ve started lifting it
P.S I really don’t wanna go back to work Monday so I’m also annoyed they’ve started lifting it
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We do. My concern atm is we're muddled, confused, and pressing forward just because everybody else is, rather than we feel it's appropriate.
I can forgive mistakes (we *still* don't know how this'll all pan out) but not obfuscation.
chiefdave
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You've answered your own question there. We need a safe way out.
The day lockdown was announced there were 967 new cases and 74 deaths, the day the easing of restrictions was announced there were 3,923 new cases and 268 deaths despite Johnson conveniently picking the Sunday of a bank holiday weekend to make the announcement. So what has changed between the initial lockdown and the easing of restrictions to make it safe to proceed?
SkyBlueDom26
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Good job we have antibody tests now, let’s just hope they get distributed ASAP
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Brighton Sky Blue
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We do but we are still lacking enough biological knowledge to confirm the extent if any of immunity, and the role of children if any in transmission. Getting this wrong by being impatient will cost us a lot more time in the long run
skybluetony176
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Any thoughts on the government poisoning care homes with a deadly virus?
skybluetony176
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How many tests do we have? Ballpark.
shmmeee
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My concern is do we know what caused the massive spike in excess deaths the first time and what’s different now?
Ive still not seen the governments answer for solving the care home issue, or why so many died despite NHS capacity being fine. Seems without a plan to avoid that again we’re just asking for another 50k deaths at least.
That would be more U.K. civilians killed than WW2. And that was over 6 years and decimated the economy. If you want to talk proportionality.
Ive still not seen the governments answer for solving the care home issue, or why so many died despite NHS capacity being fine. Seems without a plan to avoid that again we’re just asking for another 50k deaths at least.
That would be more U.K. civilians killed than WW2. And that was over 6 years and decimated the economy. If you want to talk proportionality.
Ring Of Steel
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The bottom line here is actually very simple.
We fucked everything up in the early days, got every single thing wrong, and as a result we ended up with a major catastrophe worse than any other country aside from USA, and consequently we now have to try and ease lockdown much too fast when we're patently not ready with thousands of new infections every day- and that in turn means there is no safe way to come out of this. A safe way does not exist, there isn't one.
Therefore everything from now on in is a massive risk which needs to be taken in order to try and avoid the country grinding to a halt, and its a risk purely because of the incompetence & blunders which we made right at the start, which have meant we are behind everyone else, but are trying to come out of it at the same time as them.
chiefdave
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Antibody tests are a positive no doubt about that. However do we actually have confirmation that if you've had it once you can't get it again. I've read varying reports on that so confirmation would be good.
Now assuming you can't get it again there's over 31 million people in work in the UK, over 10 million kids in schools and over 2 million at university. The current tests we're doing are still failing every day to hit the 100K target, 71,644 people test was the number today. So lets say you priorities the employed and those in education so we can get those sectors up and running. At 100K a day it would take well over a year to test everyone.
Not sure the antibody test is the magic bullet. Especially if early reports of infection rates only being around 5% are true.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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No it wasn't but you can't have the faith in the party diminished so someone has to take the bullet for them.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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You spent weeks asking about daily figures. Still, I guess that you got the message about taking in trends is encouraging. We are on a downward trend but it's a very slow downward trend.
But after the return of people to work a week or two from now will be interesting as I reckon we're going to see a big jump again.
shmmeee
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The demand will be huge as well because people will want to be tested as often as possible if there’s an immunity passport. So it’s not just testing everyone once, but potentially testing 90%+ of the population once or twice a week. And how can you justify prioritising certain people? Why would a Tesco worker be less important than a CEO in terms of removing lockdown if we are working already. Also 5% ish won’t be enough to support the leisure industries so they’ll have to keep furloughing workers or massively downsize and go bust. I just don’t see how it helps TBH.
clint van damme
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I don't know anything about antibody tests but There's just been some expert on 5live who has said pretty much what you've said. Good news but a long way to go until they tell us anything meaningful.
clint van damme
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Yeah, that's the choice, either lift lock down now or don't lift it until next year. Fucking hell.
chiefdave
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Exactly. If the 5% thing is right then even if you had some miraculous way to get everyone test once 95% of the population are going to need repeated tests.
We've made such a mess of this that we're been left with no safe way out of it. The question of course is was it just incompetence or was herd immunity the aim all along?
Notice they've gone very quiet on the track and trace trial on the IoW, hopefully not a sign that we've messed that up as well. Really should have had that in place before sending everyone back to work.