Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (13 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

Beggars belief!!!

I think it’s safe to say that- at best- the govt were criminally negligent, at worst...

is there any other walk of life where authorising the culling of thousands of people would be let pass without comment?

 

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[wingy]

Beggars belief!!!

It's alright

Jenny told us yesterday care homes are/ were geared up to cope with this situation and always have been .
Whatever the infection.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It's alright

Jenny told us yesterday care homes are/ were geared up to cope with this situation and always have been .
Whatever the infection.

knowing what we know, I don’t see any other explanation for putting covid positive people into care homes (as opposed to huge empty hospitals), knowing it would kill thousands of people, apart from that it was deliberate. There is only so much that stupidity and incompetence can explain, this crosses the line into downright sinister.

can anybody offer any other rational explanation for knowingly putting positive infections into care homes full of the most vulnerable groups?

 

[Grendel]

I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes

 

[skybluetony176]

is there any other walk of life where authorising the culling of thousands of people would be let pass without comment?

Cambodia in the 1970’s.

 

[skybluetony176]

I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes

We can all see why it occurred.

 

[Grendel]

As I’ve said I’ll have sensible discussion on this but I see from Tony it’s again more interested in using care hone victims for point scoring

Most people in care homes should not be even in there in the first place

I would genuinely be interested who has ever been in one of these god forsaken places

I have strong views on this subject but I see it’s just pointless as comparing one government policy to mass slaughter is the way it’s going to go so fine I’ll leave you all to it

 

[skybluetony176]

As I’ve said I’ll have sensible discussion on this but I see from Tony it’s again more interested in using care hone victims for point scoring

Most people in care homes should not be even in there in the first place

I would genuinely be interested who has ever been in one of these god forsaken places

I have strong views on this subject but I see it’s just pointless as comparing one government policy to mass slaughter is the way it’s going to go so fine I’ll leave you all to it

You won’t even acknowledge what’s happened. If you want an adult conversation that’s your starting point. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la like you are is about as childish as it gets.

 

[Grendel]

You won’t even acknowledge what’s happened. If you want an adult conversation that’s your starting point. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la like you are is about as childish as it gets.

have you had anyone close to you die in a care home with no idea why you pathetic specimen - that’s why you are the one person I generally ignore in here. Oddly you’d be at home in the government as cheap point scoring is all that bothers you.

Forget it. Just have a jerk off with Your new friends

 

[skybluetony176]

have you had anyone close to you die in a care home with no idea why you pathetic specimen - that’s why you are the one person I generally ignore in here. Oddly you’d be at home in the government as cheap point scoring is all that bothers you.

Forget it. Just have a jerk off with Your new friends

Fucking hell. You want to go around accusing people of point scoring of deaths in care homes and then pull that bullshit. If you knew people who died in care homes you would be angry about the situation in care homes caused by this government as much as me. You ain’t, that tells you everything you need to know. Calling me a pathetic specimen and then add another string to your imaginary life to point score on here. Take a look in the mirror pal. You’re a poor excuse for a human being.

 

[David O'Day]

Fucking hell. You want to go around accusing people of point scoring of deaths in care homes and then pull that bullshit. If you knew people who died in care homes you would be angry about the situation in care homes caused by this government as much as me. You ain’t, that tells you everything you need to know. Calling me a pathetic specimen and then add another string to your imaginary life to point score on here. Take a look in the mirror pal. You’re a poor excuse for a human being.

He lying again?

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[skybluetony176]

He lying again?

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He’d be fuming with the government if he wasn’t. Simple as that.

 

[Grendel]

So I had a very close relative that died in one of these places which we fought tooth and nail to get back home and I’m lying

My god well guys you’ve got your way I’ll leave you all to it

 

[skybluetony176]

So I had a very close relative that died in one of these places which we fought tooth and nail to get back home and I’m lying

My god well guys you’ve got your way I’ll leave you all to it

OK, bye then.

 

[shmmeee]

I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes

Would be one good thing to come out of it if politicians stopped kicking it into the long grass. I can’t see the Tories funding it from taxation though, the Dementia Tax was their best stab at it and we saw how that worked out with their core vote. Not as sexy as a train or bridge either so not likely to tickle Johnson’s ego.

 

[Grendel]

Would be one good thing to come out of it if politicians stopped kicking it into the long grass. I can’t see the Tories funding it from taxation though, the Dementia Tax was their best stab at it and we saw how that worked out with their core vote. Not as sexy as a train or bridge either so not likely to tickle Johnson’s ego.

Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments

What would you do instead, though?

Some are actually OK tbf. I'd argue it's as much assessing the needs of the individual, rather than one size fits all, and applying some rigorous standards within them, which then needs rewarding the staff. As that then needs somebody to pay for it... who does that? That needs buy-in from an early age, and as with private pensions it's hard to engage people when old age seems far away, and pointless engaging them once they've got there.

 

[skybluetony176]

profiteering hell holes

You best check your pension portfolio you’re always bragging about then. Pension investors love investing in care homes because of their high yield and large property portfolios that look good on the books.

You’re probably pretending to be part of the problem you’re pretending to be annoyed about as a diversion from acknowledging the very real issue the government has created in the nursing homes to fudge death figures in hospitals in an effort to end the lockdown earlier than is sensible so Boris’ mates can profiteer from our misery.

 

[Grendel]

What would you do instead, though?

Some are actually OK tbf. I'd argue it's as much assessing the needs of the individual, rather than one size fits all, and applying some rigorous standards within them, which then needs rewarding the staff. As that then needs somebody to pay for it... who does that? That needs buy-in from an early age, and as with private pensions it's hard to engage people when old age seems far away, and pointless engaging them once they've got there.

Well like we decided children could actually take on the responsibility....I think many don’t and I don’t think many parents would rather live in these places

When did council domicile workers (home help) get outsourced? That was the end of social care - the comparison between the two is stark.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments

I've had relatives stay in them as respite care rather than long term residents and I find them grim places. How the carers that work in them manage it I don't know.

But what are your alternatives? The fact they're private and therefore as you put it profiteering is part of the policy of free-market thinking to up quality and drive down cost. So why is this not happening? The other thing is that these people that are in there that probably shouldn't be are there because we've got a society that is either selfish and don't want to look after their own family members themselves in their own home or that due to economic pressures and inequality have to work so they're unable to be full time carers. Again this is predominantly a stance that has it's origins from the right.

 

[Grendel]

I've had relatives stay in them as respite care rather than long term residents and I find them grim places. How the carers that work in them manage it I don't know.

But what are your alternatives? The fact they're private and therefore as you put it profiteering is part of the policy of free-market thinking to up quality and drive down cost. So why is this not happening? The other thing is that these people that are in there that probably shouldn't be are there because we've got a society that is either selfish and don't want to look after their own family members themselves in their own home or that due to economic pressures and inequality have to work so they're unable to be full time carers. Again this is predominantly a stance that has it's origins from the right.

It has its origins from our society that thinks it’s acceptable to let their parents line in these places - many of whom are actually mentally alert. That’s not political it’s just the way people are in many countries across the west

 

[Brylowes]

I I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred.

Well Yeah !!

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Grendel Post 23191 I see you have been in a lot of care homes have you made your choice yet? I could help you wife used to work in a good one in Bedworth. I know of that one and another within a mile of it which i would have closed down immediatly I do think society does have plenty to answer for the way some people forget the ones who brought them up.

 

[clint van damme]

It has its origins from our society that thinks it’s acceptable to let their parents line in these places - many of whom are actually mentally alert. That’s not political it’s just the way people are in many countries across the west

We live in a society where most people are going to have to work full time into their late 60s.
Taking on the care of a relative with care requirements, sometimes complex, isn't feasible for most

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It has its origins from our society that thinks it’s acceptable to let their parents line in these places - many of whom are actually mentally alert. That’s not political it’s just the way people are in many countries across the west

I agree, but how has society ended up with that mindset? Who made it the 'me, me, me' society rather than putting family first and taking care of them?

I also ask that if this place was so despicable why did you allow this person to carry on living there? You could have offered to become a carer and taken care of them yourself if you so desired.

 

[Brylowes]

Grendel Post 23191 I see you have been in a lot of care homes have you made your choice yet? I could help you wife used to work in a good one in Bedworth. I know of that one and another within a mile of it which i would have closed down immediatly I do think society does have plenty to answer for the way some people forget the ones who brought them up.

I agree, but this is a completely separate issue, this involves a Government directive to transfer
Covid19 recovering patients into care homes that were full with the very people all the experts
agree we’re the most vulnerable to fall foul of it.

 

[chiefdave]

For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes.

Noticed the other day on twitter the owner of a string of local care homes was kicking off about the current crisis. Wasn't complaining about sick people being moved in or his staff stuggling to cope with the extra work or them not having the PPE required. His only complaint was that they should be receiving more money per day for every person they took in.

Sums it up really.

 

[David O'Day]

OK, bye then.

He always knows someone

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[Grendel]

I agree, but how has society ended up with that mindset? Who made it the 'me, me, me' society rather than putting family first and taking care of them?

I also ask that if this place was so despicable why did you allow this person to carry on living there? You could have offered to become a carer and taken care of them yourself if you so desired.

Er they didn’t live there we were carers for years and this was a forced situation for one week for “respite” from a hospital - cheers for questioning my morality though about something you know nothing about - Jesus Christ

 

[skybluetony176]

Even the Chinese are having a dig
China says UK coronavirus handling a 'mess' & blasts Boris back to work call

 

[Grendel]

I’ll leave you all to it - I’ve tried you add some actual personal insight on actually for my standards a sensitive subject - seriously some of you should be ashamed of yourselves - it’s just a game and point scoring so why bother

 

[David O'Day]

The private us company that has the contract to run the nhs ppe stockpile were incompetent it appears and couldn't manage it correctly

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[Sick Boy]

Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments

The saddest and worst thing of it all is that it shows a wider societal problem with how these people are considered and how they are treated.

 

[skybluetony176]

I’ll leave you all to it - I’ve tried you add some actual personal insight on actually for my standards a sensitive subject - seriously some of you should be ashamed of yourselves - it’s just a game and point scoring so why bother

 

[David O'Day]

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He tried to once again lie and deflect from the frankly shocking way the government prepared care homes for this crisis

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