Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (100 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Exactly. If the 5% thing is right then even if you had some miraculous way to get everyone test once 95% of the population are going to need repeated tests.

We've made such a mess of this that we're been left with no safe way out of it. The question of course is was it just incompetence or was herd immunity the aim all along?

Notice they've gone very quiet on the track and trace trial on the IoW, hopefully not a sign that we've messed that up as well. Really should have had that in place before sending everyone back to work.

Honest question: what’s different now to when lockdown started in terms of preventing spread? No track and trace, no app, no explanation of the existing death count.

Seems it’s all hinging on the public being more cautious. But doesn’t everything show we were being cautious prior to lockdown anyway and still had a spike?

I wish I could see something other than repeated lockdowns or huge death counts in the future.

 

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[wingy]

 

[wingy]

 

[David O'Day]

You need to look at weekly trends more, was 620+ last Thursday, we’re on a downward trend and things will get better over the next few weeks! Be positive..... cases have also dropped with more testing

You take out the extra low day which was the bank holiday and the trend is a lot flatter

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[Ian1779]

You need to look at weekly trends more, was 620+ last Thursday, we’re on a downward trend and things will get better over the next few weeks! Be positive..... cases have also dropped with more testing

We are on a downward trend yes, but those reductions in the daily death rate will close in the same way it increased on the way up. It could be at least 10/15 days before we even get the death rate below 100... and that’s working on the assumption that lockdown carries on as before.

 

[David O'Day]

We are on a downward trend yes, but those reductions in the daily death rate will close in the same way it increased on the way up. It could be at least 10/15 days before we even get the death rate below 100... and that’s working on the assumption that lockdown carries on as before.

Yep we needed to wait the extra weeks.

We needed to gave imposed a 14 day quarantine on anyone coming in as well. Get the local community transmission right down first. That could only take an 3 weeks but no we have basically reopened london

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[David O'Day]

Shapps bragging about having undertaken 90 plus million in rail improvements in the north. It's agreed that the rail infrastructure needs billions

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[David O'Day]

Nice to know the big book of stamps arrived so they could post out a load more tests

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[Ring Of Steel]

One of them is Michael Gove's ex girlfriend

 

[pipkin73]

Just received some money, enough to pay for food for about a month but no internet to log on to help (it just aint coming). I gave the people below me full (thans for the help / money) loads of sweets to help with the kids.

 

[wingy]

Just received some money, enough to pay for food for about a month but no internet to log on to help (it just aint coming). I gave the people below me full (thans for the help / money) loads of sweets to help with the kids.

Glad to hear that Pipkin.
What's the issue with the internet out there?

 

[pipkin73]

No issue with the internet out here, just here is ok and i gave the kids lot's of sweets as it seemed ok. Now been told that was nice but stay away

 

[Brylowes]

So what are you saying then? We should stay in lockdown all year

We need to find a safe way out of this

No ‘just lockdown properly as other Countries have done and then gradually ease restrictions
when infections are sufficiently low, ffs it’s astonishing how you can’t see what’s happening.
Far from getting back to normal and aiding the economy, we are just going to be In and out of
lockdown which in the long term will be a disaster for everybody and the economy.
Like everything else this Government does ‘there is absolutely no forethought or understanding
applied to working out the best possible scenario, it’s just “economy is contracting” quick get
Everyone back to work.

 

[wingy]

No issue with the internet out here, just here is ok and i gave the kids lot's of sweets as it seemed ok. Now been told that was nice but stay away

F**kin hell!
Chin up .
What are you allowed to do now regards getting out , doing things?

 

[Blind-Faith]

No ‘just lockdown properly as other Countries have done and then gradually ease restrictions
when infections are sufficiently low, ffs it’s astonishing how you can’t see what’s happening.
Far from getting back to normal and aiding the economy, we are just going to be In and out of
lockdown which in the long term will be a disaster for everybody and the economy.
Like everything else this Government does ‘there is absolutely no forethought or understanding
applied to working out the best possible scenario, it’s just “economy is contracting” quick get
Everyone back to work.

This is what I’m trying to say, pretty much word for word!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

 

[Brylowes]

Beggars belief!!!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Beggars belief!!!

I think it’s safe to say that- at best- the govt were criminally negligent, at worst...

is there any other walk of life where authorising the culling of thousands of people would be let pass without comment?

 

[wingy]

Beggars belief!!!

It's alright

Jenny told us yesterday care homes are/ were geared up to cope with this situation and always have been .
Whatever the infection.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

It's alright

Jenny told us yesterday care homes are/ were geared up to cope with this situation and always have been .
Whatever the infection.

knowing what we know, I don’t see any other explanation for putting covid positive people into care homes (as opposed to huge empty hospitals), knowing it would kill thousands of people, apart from that it was deliberate. There is only so much that stupidity and incompetence can explain, this crosses the line into downright sinister.

can anybody offer any other rational explanation for knowingly putting positive infections into care homes full of the most vulnerable groups?

 

[Grendel]

I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes

 

[skybluetony176]

is there any other walk of life where authorising the culling of thousands of people would be let pass without comment?

Cambodia in the 1970’s.

 

[skybluetony176]

I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes

We can all see why it occurred.

 

[Grendel]

As I’ve said I’ll have sensible discussion on this but I see from Tony it’s again more interested in using care hone victims for point scoring

Most people in care homes should not be even in there in the first place

I would genuinely be interested who has ever been in one of these god forsaken places

I have strong views on this subject but I see it’s just pointless as comparing one government policy to mass slaughter is the way it’s going to go so fine I’ll leave you all to it

 

[skybluetony176]

As I’ve said I’ll have sensible discussion on this but I see from Tony it’s again more interested in using care hone victims for point scoring

Most people in care homes should not be even in there in the first place

I would genuinely be interested who has ever been in one of these god forsaken places

I have strong views on this subject but I see it’s just pointless as comparing one government policy to mass slaughter is the way it’s going to go so fine I’ll leave you all to it

You won’t even acknowledge what’s happened. If you want an adult conversation that’s your starting point. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la like you are is about as childish as it gets.

 

[Grendel]

You won’t even acknowledge what’s happened. If you want an adult conversation that’s your starting point. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la like you are is about as childish as it gets.

have you had anyone close to you die in a care home with no idea why you pathetic specimen - that’s why you are the one person I generally ignore in here. Oddly you’d be at home in the government as cheap point scoring is all that bothers you.

Forget it. Just have a jerk off with Your new friends

 

[skybluetony176]

have you had anyone close to you die in a care home with no idea why you pathetic specimen - that’s why you are the one person I generally ignore in here. Oddly you’d be at home in the government as cheap point scoring is all that bothers you.

Forget it. Just have a jerk off with Your new friends

Fucking hell. You want to go around accusing people of point scoring of deaths in care homes and then pull that bullshit. If you knew people who died in care homes you would be angry about the situation in care homes caused by this government as much as me. You ain’t, that tells you everything you need to know. Calling me a pathetic specimen and then add another string to your imaginary life to point score on here. Take a look in the mirror pal. You’re a poor excuse for a human being.

 

[David O'Day]

Fucking hell. You want to go around accusing people of point scoring of deaths in care homes and then pull that bullshit. If you knew people who died in care homes you would be angry about the situation in care homes caused by this government as much as me. You ain’t, that tells you everything you need to know. Calling me a pathetic specimen and then add another string to your imaginary life to point score on here. Take a look in the mirror pal. You’re a poor excuse for a human being.

He lying again?

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[skybluetony176]

He lying again?

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He’d be fuming with the government if he wasn’t. Simple as that.

 

[Grendel]

So I had a very close relative that died in one of these places which we fought tooth and nail to get back home and I’m lying

My god well guys you’ve got your way I’ll leave you all to it

 

[skybluetony176]

So I had a very close relative that died in one of these places which we fought tooth and nail to get back home and I’m lying

My god well guys you’ve got your way I’ll leave you all to it

OK, bye then.

 

[shmmeee]

I actually wonder if the crises will focus minds on care homes across the wider community - I have some views on this and I think it’s a much bigger discussion point to be had than on here where ids just point scoring. I’ve been to a lot of care homes and can easily see why this occurred. Europe I can see very easily having easily half it’s real deaths in care homes

Would be one good thing to come out of it if politicians stopped kicking it into the long grass. I can’t see the Tories funding it from taxation though, the Dementia Tax was their best stab at it and we saw how that worked out with their core vote. Not as sexy as a train or bridge either so not likely to tickle Johnson’s ego.

 

[Grendel]

Would be one good thing to come out of it if politicians stopped kicking it into the long grass. I can’t see the Tories funding it from taxation though, the Dementia Tax was their best stab at it and we saw how that worked out with their core vote. Not as sexy as a train or bridge either so not likely to tickle Johnson’s ego.

Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Many people in these homes shouldn’t even be in them. For many years they’ve just been profiteering hell holes. Genuinely I hope the one thing that comes from this is how these places are not acceptable places to reside and it’s not just the government (though they need to accept some culpability) but also society as a whole, they are really fairly grim environments

What would you do instead, though?

Some are actually OK tbf. I'd argue it's as much assessing the needs of the individual, rather than one size fits all, and applying some rigorous standards within them, which then needs rewarding the staff. As that then needs somebody to pay for it... who does that? That needs buy-in from an early age, and as with private pensions it's hard to engage people when old age seems far away, and pointless engaging them once they've got there.

 

[skybluetony176]

profiteering hell holes

You best check your pension portfolio you’re always bragging about then. Pension investors love investing in care homes because of their high yield and large property portfolios that look good on the books.

You’re probably pretending to be part of the problem you’re pretending to be annoyed about as a diversion from acknowledging the very real issue the government has created in the nursing homes to fudge death figures in hospitals in an effort to end the lockdown earlier than is sensible so Boris’ mates can profiteer from our misery.