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shmmeee · Jun 24, 2020

On school buildings, this would obviously need planning which puts it outside the abilities of the current government but seems to me we’ve got empty university and college sites all over with students learning remotely, surely they could create some extra capacity?

It doesn’t seem an insurmountable issue, just lacking a government who could organise a piss up in a brewery.

If it were me: focus on schools with low income demographics as those kids will miss schools the most, I’d be paying a crap ton of retirees to remote tutor as well. We could be looking at a lost generation here in terms of educational equity, long term that’ll have far more impact on the economy than the pubs closing and we should be throwing money at the problem.

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It kind of is as Scotland has been given a very high budget per capita for ages which comes out of the central pot. In some years it had twice as much as NE England.

But the Barnett Formula has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of an Independent Scotland to access the international financial markets. We don't know what they would be charged on their bonds and gilts but the money would be available.

We also don't know if by this stage Scotland would have an independent central bank because if it did the like the BoE could buy government bonds via QE. The BoE recently did this to the tune of 100 billlion.

You seem to have this idea that an independent Scotland would be some kind of international minnow but it would be a similar size to all teh Scandi countries except Sweden and bigger than Ireland.

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

hill83 said:
Seeing as I’m on one today. Can you please start saying ‘have’ instead of ‘of’. You come across as relatively handy in a lot of subjects but using ‘of’ absolutely kills anything you say for me.

Sorry, I could of worded it better.

hill83 · Jun 24, 2020

David O'Day said:
Sorry, I could of worded it better.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 24, 2020

David O'Day said:
Scotland would have had access to the international financial markets and the ability to borrow money. What the rates for their bonds and gilts woudl be is conjecture but they would of been able to like us to borrow the money for which ever scheme an Independent Scotland would of had. Also they would of likely still been part of the EU and had access to EU money.

Access to the EU was far from a given, especially on favourable terms. Access to a much larger central pot is difficult to deny the perks of Dave my man.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 24, 2020

hill83 said:
Seeing as I’m on one today. Can you please start saying ‘have’ instead of ‘of’. You come across as relatively handy in a lot of subjects but using ‘of’ absolutely kills anything you say for me.

Have you considered becoming a teacher? Great feedback with a target for improvement.

hill83 · Jun 24, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Have you considered becoming a teacher? Great feedback with a target for improvement.

Don’t like children.

shmmeee · Jun 24, 2020

hill83 said:
Don’t like children.

You’re hired!

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Access to the EU was far from a given, especially on favourable terms. Access to a much larger central pot is difficult to deny the perks of Dave my man.

The terms that an independent Scotland would HAVE joined the EU on have no baring on their access to EU help.

In conclusion Scotland would have been able to access to the international gilts and bonds market, we just don't know what the interest rate they would have had to pay. The financial markets buy bonds that are considered junk all the time, not that this is the level that the ratings agencies would have given Scotland.

clint van damme · Jun 24, 2020

hill83 said:
Seeing as I’m on one today. Can you please start saying ‘have’ instead of ‘of’. You come across as relatively handy in a lot of subjects but using ‘of’ absolutely kills anything you say for me.

Auxiliary verbs lives matter

hill83 · Jun 24, 2020

David O'Day said:
The terms that an independent Scotland would HAVE joined the EU on have no baring on their access to EU help.

In conclusion Scotland would have been able to access to the international gilts and bonds market, we just don't know what the interest rate they would have had to pay. The financial markets buy bonds that are considered junk all the time, not that this is the level that the ratings agencies would have given Scotland.

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

hill83 said:

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 24, 2020

David O'Day said:
The terms that an independent Scotland would HAVE joined the EU on have no baring on their access to EU help.

In conclusion Scotland would have been able to access to the international gilts and bonds market, we just don't know what the interest rate they would have had to pay. The financial markets buy bonds that are considered junk all the time, not that this is the level that the ratings agencies would have given Scotland.

I would have to say I would have replied before but it might have to be later.

fernandopartridge · Jun 24, 2020

NHS planning for second covid peak more than double the size

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Deleted member 5849 · Jun 24, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
NHS planning for second covid peak more than double the size

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Which region?!?

fernandopartridge · Jun 24, 2020

David O'Day said:
You do realise they are borrowing the Furlough scheme money? We can't afford it either.

Well we can really, we're a sovereign currency issuer.

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fernandopartridge · Jun 24, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
Which region?!?

I have forgotten the password for the collective login we had at work, so not sure

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Sky Blue Pete · Jun 24, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
NHS planning for second covid peak more than double the size

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Good that the planning is going in. Doesn’t mean it’s a reality though. I’m still going for cautious optimism

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 24, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
I have forgotten the password for the collective login we had at work, so not sure

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Tease! (side?)

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

fernandopartridge said:
Well we can really, we're a sovereign currency issuer.

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I mean out of the current account.

We can afford anything and will never bankrupt but I mean out of the 2020 tax take.

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

https://assets.publishing.service.g...19-restaurants-pubs-bars-takeaways-230620.pdf

Pubs and Bars guidance

Nothing about electronic ordering

The 1m+ distancing is very different to what was advertised yesterday. It seems venues are allowed to have people inside and sat down less than 2m apart as long as the venue mitigates i.e. with screens etc. It does not allow for people to just stand less than 2m apart.

Seems that internal attendance will be seating only meaning pubs will need to find bigger outdoor spaces

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

Why does the chancellor seem to think that electrical shop is a pub?

Deleted member 5849 · Jun 24, 2020

David O'Day said:
The 1m+ distancing is very different to what was advertised yesterday. It seems venues are allowed to have people inside and sat down less than 2m apart as long as the venue mitigates i.e. with screens etc. It does not allow for people to just stand less than 2m apart.

tbf yesterday I was reading that it's screens, back to back or side by side, but if you're facing one another, it has to be 2m.

I dunno, we'll find out, but it still doesn't sound fun to me!

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf yesterday I was reading that it's screens, back to back or side by side, but if you're facing one another, it has to be 2m.

I dunno, we'll find out, but it still doesn't sound fun to me!

The guidance pretty makes it clear it is not safe to stand less than 2m apart as well.

Also you can't go inside a pub with 2 or more mates

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 24, 2020

Brylowes said:
I’ve been shielding (on medical advice ) since the lockdown began, my son had to move out
6 weeks ago when he returned to work, my 8 y/o daughter hasn’t been able to go out ‘even
for a walk, we haven’t been able to seen any other family members inc my elderly mum.
We also happen to run a pub ‘called the hospital yesterday to seek advice on what we are
Supposed to do now that pubs are reopening ‘was advised it was fine as long as I adhere
To social distancing.
Turns out shielding was never really about keeping me safe,
It was always about keeping the NHS safe.

That was specifically put in the message.

Now it's about keeping the economy safe.

They couldn't give a monkey's about individuals.

SkyBlueDom26 · Jun 24, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That was specifically put in the message.

Now it's about keeping the economy safe.

They couldn't give a monkey's about individuals.

That’s just absolute bollocks and you know it, it’s been a national effort the whole country has made to keep everyone safe and to protect our NHS, to say the government couldn’t give a toss about individuals is embarrassing

David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
That’s just absolute bollocks and you know it, it’s been a national effort the whole country has made to keep everyone safe and to protect our NHS, to say the government couldn’t give a toss about individuals is embarrassing

Why reopen when SAGE don't think it's safe to? Professor Edmund's etc were quote scathing.

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David O'Day · Jun 24, 2020

Johnson even worse today.

Challenges Starmer to name a country with a working teaching app.

Starmer points out Germany and they have already had 12 million downloads.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jun 24, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
That’s just absolute bollocks and you know it, it’s been a national effort the whole country has made to keep everyone safe and to protect our NHS, to say the government couldn’t give a toss about individuals is embarrassing

That's true - they did go out of their way to protect Cummings....

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Nick · Jun 24, 2020

Scraping the barrel quoting that Sunderland prick.

Brylowes · Jun 24, 2020

hill83 said:
As shit as that is that’s been the case from the very beginning. The first slogan basically said that.

Agreed !!
The Government guidelines state ‘from July 6th I can meet six other people outdoors.
And apparently....
The Government guidelines also state I can run a busy pub from July 4th.
:emoji_thinking:What am I missing.

hill83 · Jun 24, 2020

SkyBlueDom26 said:
That’s just absolute bollocks and you know it, it’s been a national effort the whole country has made to keep everyone safe and to protect our NHS, to say the government couldn’t give a toss about individuals is embarrassing

It’s not bollocks at all. And I’d argue it’s to be expected and not necessarily a bad thing. At that level it’s all about numbers.

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