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The schtick is getting a bit tiresome now
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (346 Viewers)
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Nick
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There's much worse going on then that
larry_david
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Oh aye but it just made me laugh. Bare chest sweaty hugging but respectfully fist pumping after. Thick twats prob seen footballers do it on tele and dunno why
Ian1779
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Easy tiger - I’d probably just close the beach before you start going all Rambo.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Guarantee their team name was Chicken Tikka Mo Salah
pipkin73
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To be honest with you, out here we were also doing fist pumps etc (now back to handshakes). In the bars etc we feel safe as it's been so long since any cases here (in PR we never had any to start with, but we are classed as Mogan that had about 3 cases).
To be honest i only wear a mask as law (only if you can't keep 1.5m distance), as if i don't and the police see me it's up to a 100€ fine. In Puerto Rico i've not seen any police. They know by the infection figures we obeyed the rules.
One of the local police jumped of the main bridge a few days ago, such a waste of a life. Apparently after all the Covid stuff his head was fu***d and he could not deal with it anymore. That was with us having almost zero cases (but very strict rules we had to obey), so please think about the police before you do crowd congestion (i'm ok jack type thing), they are people and only doing their jobs when they try to move you on.
To be honest i only wear a mask as law (only if you can't keep 1.5m distance), as if i don't and the police see me it's up to a 100€ fine. In Puerto Rico i've not seen any police. They know by the infection figures we obeyed the rules.
One of the local police jumped of the main bridge a few days ago, such a waste of a life. Apparently after all the Covid stuff his head was fu***d and he could not deal with it anymore. That was with us having almost zero cases (but very strict rules we had to obey), so please think about the police before you do crowd congestion (i'm ok jack type thing), they are people and only doing their jobs when they try to move you on.
LastGarrison
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What I’m trying to get my head around is that everyone has been saying that we were going to get hit with second waves after VE Day, people going to the beaches, BLM protests, lockdown raves, football celebrations etc. but they seem not to have caused any spikes at all.
The common denominator? They’ve all taken place outside! It does seem that the virus spreading when outdoors is negligible.
David O'Day
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Always has been unless you are massively packed in like they were at the Racing. Things like the BLM protests and Football Celebrations also saw people wearing masks that mitigates the danger.
clint van damme
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you ae aware that about 10 countries are experiencing second waves?
Revealed: countries facing coronavirus rise as lockdown relaxed
it may be that this is something we have to live with with permanent measures in place , masks, social distancing etc.
David O'Day
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With regards to the almost a million quid they spend on painting a plane. The flag is upside down.
David O'Day
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David O'Day
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Even the most argent government boot licker can surely agree it's not good when the government is threatening to close beaches as people can't be trusted to enjoy them safely.
Flying Fokker
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Wait and see. Autumn will be interesting. Cooler and ought and colds.
Flying Fokker
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But they will take it to others.
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MusicDating
Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
Is that Alan Brazil bottom right?
Harold Shipman gets everywhere. He was watching some Aussie footie last week.
LastGarrison
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Not sure I subscribe to this.
Not sure if you went to the celebrations in town but I did and I would hazard a guess at that less than 5% of people were wearing masks and there was not only a mass concentration of people in and around the Lady Godiva statue there was also plenty of handshaking, hugging and chanting and singing yet no significant spike happened.
The same as the BLM protests and the "Save our Statues" numptys, although some were wearing masks the majority from the footage I have seen weren't and certainly at the bigger protests, in London for example, social distancing definitely was not happening and they were massively packed in!
Also, if it is so negligible why are so many people getting upset about going to the beach or playing 5-aside? Surely if it is negligible then you could open up outdoor sports pitches, have outdoor cinemas, gigs and even open up outdoor sports grounds on reduced capacities?
The majority of my mates working on building sites and I don't know a single one of them, or their families, who have had it. I have a handful of mates who work in offices and I know at least one of them who has had it.
If the evidence is pointing to indoor transmissions and having to be in the presence of someone for 15 minutes then a lot of these activities are relatively harmless.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Because they're a HEALTH organisation. It's their job to consider the health implications of these actions. Not the economic ones. Only reason they'd be looking at the economics side is affect on mental health from lack of income etc.
And I don't think it's fair to say they covered it up. Their response wasn't perfect and questions need to be asked about their response to China as one of the main contributors (although questions also need to be asked about China's openness that could've prevented such a large outbreak). They probably prevent loads of outbreaks of this magnitude by nipping them in the bud before we even hear of them. If the public heard of half of the things that could potentially spread without orgs like WHO keeping a watchful eye half of them would be too afraid to step out of the door.
Plus these warnings do have increasing credence. Places are starting to see rises in cases again after lifting restrictions. The US opened up at the peak and it looks like being an absolute horror show there - they're going to have a very very long battle with it because Trump will never take it seriously as money is more important than lives.
SkyBlueDom26
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USA is crazy, they didn’t even get on top of it and they opened up everywhere looks like there gonna be the new Brazil
I'm sure Johnson is enjoying seeing the packed beaches...
"Johnson told business leaders: “The real hero of Jaws is the mayor, a wonderful politician. A gigantic fish is eating all your constituents and he decides to keep the beach open.
“OK, in that instance, he was wrong but in principle we need more politicians like the mayor.”
He followed the comments up in an article, saying: “There was one laudable thing about him, and that was his refusal to give way to hysteria.
“I loved his rationality. Of course, it turned out that he was wrong. But it remains that he was heroically right in principle.”"
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"Johnson told business leaders: “The real hero of Jaws is the mayor, a wonderful politician. A gigantic fish is eating all your constituents and he decides to keep the beach open.
“OK, in that instance, he was wrong but in principle we need more politicians like the mayor.”
He followed the comments up in an article, saying: “There was one laudable thing about him, and that was his refusal to give way to hysteria.
“I loved his rationality. Of course, it turned out that he was wrong. But it remains that he was heroically right in principle.”"
Bizarre Boris Johnson comments resurface – and they could explain a lot
Sky Blue Pete
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chiefdave
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Are you being ironic?
David O'Day
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He thinks irony is something a bit like iron
Sky Blue Pete
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The track and trace folly is awful. It could very well be that not one person on the beach is Covid positive and therefore people as on here will say look there was no spike so we can do what we like. Which of course without a track and trace system will make an outbreak pretty much a certainty going forward. And if people aren’t traced these won’t be limited waves but national ones. This is a statistical certainty that I hope all can see what the issue is
Nick
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To be honest, if there isn't a single case within all those thousands of people it can't be that infectious. There was thousands of them, if it was that rife you would think at least a handful would have it without knowing.
Nick
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That's the thing isn't it.
If people are outside and not getting it, bring everything outside. Don't let hundreds of people cram into an IKEA or Primark but keep outdoor activities banned.
chiefdave
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These pictures show you exactly why our track and trace system is useless. If you test positive you're supposed to get a call and then tell them everyone you've been in contact with. Do all the people on that beach have the contact details of everyone they were close to so they can pass them on to track and trace if needed?
If only you could have some sort of app on your phone that would do it automatically. Why has nobody thought of that?
Sky Blue Pete
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Not statistically no. Obviously the probability increases where you are and the higher number of people in the location.
Sky Blue Pete
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I agree with that too
shmmeee
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This isn’t how stats work but fag packet maths so bare with me.
Last I saw roughly 1 in 1700 have the virus, so you’d need a gathering of more than 1700 to be likely to get infected. I doubt there were that many at most parties/protests. At the beach maybe but people tend to be static and distanced anyway at the beach. Not sure obviously not an epidemiologist but seems reasonable assumptions to me.
David O'Day
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That is not how it works though. If 1 in 1700 have the virus it doesn't mean you need to have more than 1700 somewhere or you need to meet 1700 before can get the virus.
It's just chance, you could have 5 people at a gathering and 4 of them could have the virus.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It's probability though isn't it.
Yes could could meet one person and they've got it and be infected. You could meet 10,000 people who don't and not.
But the PROBABILITY of coming into contact with someone with the virus increases with the more people you meet. So if the chance of someone having the virus is 1 in 1700 and you meet 1700 people, the probability that you've been in contact with someone who has the virus is 1.
Yes could could meet one person and they've got it and be infected. You could meet 10,000 people who don't and not.
But the PROBABILITY of coming into contact with someone with the virus increases with the more people you meet. So if the chance of someone having the virus is 1 in 1700 and you meet 1700 people, the probability that you've been in contact with someone who has the virus is 1.
shmmeee
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Literally my first sentence “this isn’t how stats work”. But as a fag pocket calculation assuming even spread across the country it’s something Equally it works the other way, you could have ten thousand people with no cases of the virus.
For the beach you’d have to work out where people came from and their local case rate to get a proper likelihood, just pointing out that a couple of hundred people at a party/protest doesn’t mean the virus is spreading and therefore lack of a second wave after say VE Day doesn’t prove much.