The point for me is it's shown how fragile the way we work the economy is and reliant on the status quo. So for me what that means is a rethink on how things work, how we can change and adapt to those changes and become more robust. Instead it's just 'let's get back to the way things were'.
It's a massive opportunity missed. This could well be the defining moment where we had the chance to pull away from self-destruction and said "nah, fuck it"
What business is it of the governments if I want to continue working from home?
You see I was reasonably cheerful. Now I think if this is the good news, God help us!
Nothing to do with following anyone’s line Fernando. Unfortunately, that’s the stock response to anyone who doesn’t agree with peoples arguments on here.
I’m not saying everyone needs to go back into work, in actual fact I think one of the few benefits of this whole shitstorm will be more people WFH which is better for the environment and people’s work/life balance. However, there is no need for a vast majority of the population to be WFH all the time. Citys are currently ghost towns as I’d imagine only 5-10% are going in (I’ve been into Birmingham a couple of times in the week recently). Many businesses are/will soon be on there knees. I know of at least three independent bars/restaurants that have already closed and that’s with furlough scheme in place.
If guidelines are followed and workplaces are safe why shouldn’t employers ask staff to return? Even if it’s on a rota of 50% in one week and 50% the next to allow for social distancing/minimise risk further.
If employers want their staff to WFH, then again, that’s fine, but let’s not make this about the risks attached to Covid for most people.
I’ve put my view forward backed up by facts surrounding the limited risks involved for a majority of the working population. If people want to stay at home still that’s their prerogative but I for one, will try to live my life as best/normally as I can (that’s nothing to do with towing the Tory line, that’s just how I view life)
Nothing to do with following anyone’s line Fernando. Unfortunately, that’s the stock response to anyone who doesn’t agree with peoples arguments on here.
I’m not saying everyone needs to go back into work, in actual fact I think one of the few benefits of this whole shitstorm will be more people WFH which is better for the environment and people’s work/life balance. However, there is no need for a vast majority of the population to be WFH all the time. Cities are currently ghost towns as I’d imagine only 5-10% are going in (I’ve been into Birmingham a couple of times in the week recently). Many businesses are/will soon be on there knees. I know of at least three independent bars/restaurants that have already closed and that’s with furlough scheme in place.
If guidelines are followed and workplaces are safe why shouldn’t employers ask staff to return? Even if it’s on a rota of 50% in one week and 50% the next to allow for social distancing/minimise risk further.
If employers want their staff to WFH, then again, that’s fine, but let’s not make this about the risks attached to Covid for most people.
I’ve put my view forward backed up by facts surrounding the limited risks involved for a majority of the working population. If people want to stay at home still that’s their prerogative but I for one, will try to live my life as best/normally as I can (that’s nothing to do with towing the Tory line, that’s just how I view life)
There is also proven now to be no need for people to travel, waste time and energy they don't need to to get somewhere they don't really need to be. To prop up other businesses.
How about we rethink things. We have a shortage of homes. If we don't need as much office/retail space we can build more places to live in their place. If we build high quality apartment blocks lower floors can serve the residents of the block along with passing local trade. Delivery sector could be expanded (which would then take over the commuter traffic).
Of course that can't be done overnight but neither could the move from factories and turning them into business/retail parks. But it happened. Now we need to see it again with a transition from office to residential. Opportunities for many construction jobs and jobs involving upkeep long term. It would be an absolutely disaster to just go back to how it was before.
Don't just look at the costs, look at the opportunities.
Cant disagree with most of that SBD. As I said earlier a lot of businesses will already be looking to change their working practices but as I also said it can’t happen overnight without it negatively impacting hundreds of thousands or more.
There will definitely be loads of office conversions as businesses likely to downsize/reduce office space, was discussing that with my mate a few weeks back.
ps the costs are huge numbers of people’s livelihoods in the short/medium term
From what I saw all staff were wearing masks and 95% of the public
We need UBI, forget UCDo we see any upgrade to universal credit on the horizon?
UK has had nearly 800 daily infections, Spain nearly 1000, it seems a bit rich. The cynic in me thinks it's an economic measure not a health oneSelf isolation back for those returning from Spain as of 12 Tonight.
Had a leaflet through the door today pushing all sorts of conspiracy theories .
Not.sure where it came from or it's purpose as all that stuff is available on the net.
Can Only think it must be to maybe reach the old and vulnerable.
Like i said mate, we have only just opened back up and if they keep Gran Canaria on that list it will destory us. Loads of places been refurbished during the close in season (hotels, restaurants and bars), and if no tourists we will just all be broke. I might as well fly back home tomorrow and get it done and dusted with. Not much chance of a job from what i read and back on the painkillers (thanks Boris). We are safe, we are not effin Madrid or Barcelona (person i know just went to Madrid for a week and came back after 3 days) as NO RESTRICTIONS IN PUBS, NO ONE WEARING MASKS he said it was like nothing had ever happened. If they want to live like that fine but don't make us pay for it thousands of mile away on another island who have obeyed the rules and got the virus levels down to almost nil.UK has had nearly 800 daily infections, Spain nearly 1000, it seems a bit rich. The cynic in me thinks it's an economic measure not a health one
I'm currently in Barcelona and nobody is allowed in bars. You get served outside and masks are mandatory even outside.Like i said mate, we have only just opened back up and if they keep Gran Canaria on that list it will destory us. Loads of places been refurbished during the close in season (hotels, restaurants and bars), and if no tourists we will just all be broke. I might as well fly back home tomorrow and get it done and dusted with. Not much chance of a job from what i read and back on the painkillers (thanks Boris). We are safe, we are not effin Madrid or Barcelona (person i know just went to Madrid for a week and came back after 3 days) as NO RESTRICTIONS IN PUBS, NO ONE WEARING MASKS he said it was like nothing had ever happened. If they want to live like that fine but don't make us pay for it thousands of mile away on another island who have obeyed the rules and got the virus levels down to almost nil.
Brilliant, atl east they are trying, like i said the person i know off went to Madrid. The reason i mention Barcelona is it's up their with Madid on new cases.I'm currently in Barcelona and nobody is allowed in bars. You get served outside and masks are mandatory even outside.
Self isolation back for those returning from Spain as of 12 Tonight.
Had a leaflet through the door today pushing all sorts of conspiracy theories .
Not.sure where it came from or it's purpose as all that stuff is available on the net.
Can Only think it must be to maybe reach the old and vulnerable.
I think it's an economic thing, make it difficult to go abroad on holiday so money is spent here. Tbh the govt are right, foreign holidays could be put on the back burner for a year.Seems to me that this is just a cynical attempt to look tough after the horse has bolted. When 1000+ people were dying a day in Spain there was no control and no quarantine, now they’ve got a couple of hundred more cases, that’s cases not deaths, a day than us it’s time to say you have to self isolate when you return. Load of bollocks.
Not if you want to come next year mate, or you can come have the beach but nothing else as all bust. Most bar owners in Spain and here including staff (tourist areas only) are UK and Irish based so 1 year with no income will crash it all. Spoke to loads of owners and they are now on a wing and prayer.I think it's an economic thing, make it difficult to go abroad on holiday so money is spent here. Tbh the govt are right, foreign holidays could be put on the back burner for a year.
They were exempt but 20 mins later they included us and said they will review us. As FP said, it has to be polititcal no other reason i can think of.Surely they'll exempt the canary islands?
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Been wearing one on a daily basis for a couple of months now, only problem is they’re not much fun in 35c heat.I do have a certain sympathy with the argument that we've effectively been put under house arrest for a few months, and that's a dangerous precedent to give the state so much control.
That being said, masks are nothing compared to everything else that's happened, so it seems a very strange thing to get hung up on! Sure, they're uncomfortable and a bit awkward, but I'll get used to it.
UK has had nearly 800 daily infections, Spain nearly 1000, it seems a bit rich. The cynic in me thinks it's an economic measure not a health one
None of the countries we’ve partnered withAre you suggesting it's another use of 'nudge theory' by the govt to encourage people to stay at home and thus spend the money in the UK economy?
Does anyone know which countries have us on a quarantine/banned list? Although we're not the worst anymore I definitely think we're high enough for a number of countries to consider us a risk of increasing infections.
It’s up to your employer, if that’s the government then it’s their business. If they’re not then it’s nothing to do with them
I know I’ll get called a Tory for saying this (standard !) but some of the nonsense on here is getting crazy. Yes, we possibly should’ve stopped flights earlier in the outbreak (although the scientific advisors said their was no point) and people, not unreasonably, complained at the time. We temporarily stop the Spain air bridge and ask people to quarantine when they return and the same people still complain ?!
The same people who are worried about going back to the office because of the risk appear to be arguing against something to try to minimise the spread/risk ?!
Loads of conspiracy theories that don’t make any sense (if we wanted people to holiday here surely we wouldn’t have agreed the air bridges to start with ?!)
There’s been fuck ups by the government but why pick at every single decision being made, especially when they contradict other issues you might have ?!
Just try to keep some perspective in this shitstorm. Some decisions will be right, some wrong. We’re all in the same boat (apart from Trump who’s on another planet)
Ps I think Spain had 2.6k confirmed cases on Thursday and 2.2k Friday. We’re around 700-800 and we appear to doing more/targeted testing. Several EU countries are also considering closing their borders to Spain.
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