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Brighton Sky Blue

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skybluetony176 said:
Thousands? If Greece keep that up all summer they’ll have tested more Brits than the British Government ;)
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Yep just what I've seen reported in Greek outlets, mind you this is a country that never had more than 10 deaths in a day.
 
Rusty Trombone

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Going to Greece in a few weeks' time, have filled in the form their government is asking everyone to do as a condition of entry. Apparently zero positive tests from Brits so far out of the thousands that have been carried out.
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I've read some reports that you need to complete the form (PLF) when you come back as well, and the gov.uk website does seem to confirm that, have you seen anything about this? I'd have thought it would be more of a news story if the form did need completing for the return, and that's making me doubt it.
 
pipkin73

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Wound up to shit over all this, WE ARE FUCKING CLEAR BORIS, anyway i had friends arrive last night to surprise me and it's been so good. Don't think they could have timed it better as with this latest news i think i would have had a breakdown but with my friends being here they have kept me more positive. I just hope the rules change in tourism favour out here as fast as they changed against us.
 
pipkin73

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pipkin73 said:
Wound up to shit over all this, WE ARE FUCKING CLEAR BORIS, anyway i had friends arrive last night to surprise me and it's been so good. Don't think they could have timed it better as with this latest news i think i would have had a breakdown but with my friends being here they have kept me more positive. I just hope the rules change in tourism favour out here as fast as they changed against us.
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Had a dam good steak meal tonight, cooked to perfection. I don't normally eat in their as it's expensive and i even get a discount but my friends said just have what you want, when you had money you always looked after us so just accept it back and enjoy. Proper friends, most don't remember what you done for them 25 years ago.
 
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djr8369

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What is concerning me currently is there still doesn’t quite seem to be acceptance that we are in this for the long haul and as such solutions and measures are either not robust enough or short term in thinking.

The narrative still seems to be get cases down a bit then we can start to go back to “normal”. There are second waves happening virtually everywhere that has lowered restrictions already.

Even this thing about isolation after returning from Spain seems pointless. It’s surely cheaper and more effective to test everyone who comes back?

Every country needs to test every individual that comes in. Every country needs a robust track and trace system that covers virtually its whole population.

Giving people the option to write down their name and contact details when going to the pub so somebody can try and ring round if there is a local outbreak is pissing in the wind. I think we also need to start thinking about restructuring society and economies around it. Tourism isn’t going to work if we’re trying to turn it on and off randomly.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Rusty Trombone said:
I've read some reports that you need to complete the form (PLF) when you come back as well, and the gov.uk website does seem to confirm that, have you seen anything about this? I'd have thought it would be more of a news story if the form did need completing for the return, and that's making me doubt it.
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Yeah I’ve seen a separate one for returning to the UK though a bit confused about why I need to if I’m coming from a country on the no quarantine list.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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The “second wave is a hoax” people have gone very quiet...
 
Saddlebrains

Saddlebrains

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Tbf it says 'signs of'. There's 'signs of' me getting noshed off by the new bird at work but until it's happening i wouldnt worry
 
fernandopartridge

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Saddlebrains said:
Tbf it says 'signs of'. There's 'signs of' me getting noshed off by the new bird at work but until it's happening i wouldnt worry
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Sorry but that is a stupid statement. There were 'signs of' a global pandemic at the end of January and we ignored them to the cost of 60k + lives. Let's not make the same mistake twice. If this spikes again in the autumn it'll be disastrous.
 
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fernandopartridge said:
Sorry but that is a stupid statement. There were 'signs of' a global pandemic at the end of January and we ignored them to the cost of 60k + lives. Let's not make the same mistake twice. If this spikes again in the autumn it'll be disastrous.
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tbf, Johnson's used it as justification for the Spain action. You could argue it's him actually taking it seriously. Overkill? Probably, but after his words about all being back to normal by Christmas, I'd rather see that than the alternative, tbh!
 
shmmeee

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Saddlebrains

Saddlebrains

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shmmeee said:
www.newscientist.com

Coronavirus: Second wave hits Asia as global cases continue to soar

Asian countries such as China and Vietnam are seeing a resurgence of the virus as daily global covid-19 cases hit 300,000, with more than half occurring in the Americas
www.newscientist.com www.newscientist.com

Maybe give the Asian bird in the other office a go? ;)
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Hahaha,


Tbf it doesnt change anything. We cant go into lockdown again. No country can. Everyones stated that and understands why. So we have to learn to live with it best we can. Its endemic now, just like colds and flu.

Oh and yes, cases are going up and places seeing spikes. But its not giving anywhere near the death numbers it was
 
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CCFCSteve

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Sky Blue Pete said:
No wonder Spain pm is pissed

Spain - 2 deaths
Uk - 100+

And we have temerity to say they’re high risk
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A majority of deaths will usually take place days or even weeks after someone has tested positive so deaths are irrelevant in relation to the decision. Spain is running at approx three times our daily confirmed case rate (which has been bouncing around 600-700 per day for a couple of weeks or so). I think Spain’s spiked from a lower figure to over 2k relatively quickly ie within a few days which I presume leads to concerns that there could be exponential grown (and a second spike). We also all know that the real number is likely to be several times the daily confirmed cases due to many carriers being asymptomatic and/or not having been tested.

Hopefully with regional lockdown measures put in place things will get back under control. Unfortunately though this is likely to continue happening in the UK and around the world until a vaccine is found (unless lockdowns remain in place constantly - which is impossible) so we may as well get used to it.
 
shmmeee

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Has anyone got a graph showing mortality rate anywhere? I’m assuming we’ve spent four months or more with medicines top minds working on making this more treatable, are we seeing that in the data?

Seems that (or a milder strain of the virus emerging) are our best bets for some level of normality. Been reading LongCovid cases today and scaring myself, need a tonic.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Has anyone got a graph showing mortality rate anywhere? I’m assuming we’ve spent four months or more with medicines top minds working on making this more treatable, are we seeing that in the data?

Seems that (or a milder strain of the virus emerging) are our best bets for some level of normality. Been reading LongCovid cases today and scaring myself, need a tonic.
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Sky Blue Pete

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shmmeee said:
Has anyone got a graph showing mortality rate anywhere? I’m assuming we’ve spent four months or more with medicines top minds working on making this more treatable, are we seeing that in the data?

Seems that (or a milder strain of the virus emerging) are our best bets for some level of normality. Been reading LongCovid cases today and scaring myself, need a tonic.
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Me too. Family around the world and friends. And other parts of my family supposed to be shielding going out more and more and taking bigger risks
 
shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I assume you could do a quick case:death ratio from the rolling averages
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Yeah that’s what I did. Just eyeballed the two. Not as reassuring as I’d hoped TBH. But then testing strategy has been all over the place so hard to assume a certain baseline (I.e. if we’re doing more speculative tests we’ll find more mild cases that don’t die)
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
Yeah that’s what I did. Just eyeballed the two. Not as reassuring as I’d hoped TBH. But then testing strategy has been all over the place so hard to assume a certain baseline (I.e. if we’re doing more speculative tests we’ll find more mild cases that don’t die)
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Pillar 1 (people in hospital and healthcare workers) is a decent proportion of total testing. Yesterday only 99k tests were processed which is 48k people max over half of which was Pillar 1.
 
fernandopartridge

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It is odd though, because the number of people both in hospital and on ventilators generally continues to fall in spite of the increase in infections.
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Infections is a tricky one to use as an indicator of anything as they aren’t even saying how many people are being tested.
 
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