skybluetony176
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Pie in the sky tests too. Sorry that should be moonshot tests.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Standard!
David O'Day
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Really WTF was that press conference all about? Car Crash TV
Ian1779
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IF jobs can be done as well and efficiently at home then why the clamour to return?
David O'Day
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because the economy of city centres trumps safety
shmmeee
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You’re talking about right now? I don’t think UBI is a serious proposal for now.
God knows what you do right now. Extending furlough seems the only realistic idea if we think it’ll be over by a year or so. Maybe fund voluntary redundancy in some cases?
Whatever you do though people will lose their jobs and their industry likely won’t be hiring for a while. Of course redundancy payments should be made to them. I’m just saying in the future UBI would avoid this situation but would need an equal balance of loosening of regulation.
Grendel
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Well for a start the service providers who provide transport and leisure and refreshment facilities - also I am I suspect one of a handful of people here who have worked at home for a large PLC and without some office presence it’s really ridiculous as a concept.
Grendel
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You should extend furlough for SME but every other company needs to return - it should never have been offered to large companies and allowing them the £1,000 bonus is money down the drain
skybluetony176
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Ian1779
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As someone who doesn’t work in that kind of industry why is it ridiculous? Just trying to understand
David O'Day
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Why ask him? His "past" changes daily
Ring Of Steel
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As someone who worked from home for the worlds biggest (at that time) company for a couple of years, I can tell you in my experience it’s absolutely no problem at all long as your colleagues are set up right too. There’s no issue. It’s ridiculous to clamour for returns to offices in the year 2020 in the midst of a huge pandemic, when the big buzzwords for years have been ‘work life balance’, ‘remote working’, ‘flexitime’ etc.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Then the fault is with the way the economy works and it should be looked upon how this can be improved upon over time with as minimal impact during that transition.
It's like waking up with a massive hangover and deciding the best cure is back on the booze. Short term it might alleviate it but longer term it just ain't sustainable.
fernandopartridge
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I hate that c**t
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Just got Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham in my head now.
Ian1779
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Work life balance has been one of the major reasons for teachers leaving the profession. Some schools and heads get it, some really do not. I know I can’t teach from home effectively and we need to be in school for as long as it remains safe to do so, but the lockdown has shown us that we don’t need to stay at school anymore after the kids go home. We can do meetings, training and all the other shite we have to from home now. The days of expecting teachers to hang around unnecessarily should be over.
I would have thought offices would be all over that stuff.
Ring Of Steel
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It goes to show that all the talk before covid of companies wanting to really improve employee welfare was actually hot air. One minute you have corporations boasting about their latest innovation to improve employee wellbeing, but lethal virus all over the place? Fuck you, get your arses back in
chiefdave
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I'm sure the people saying everyone should head back to the office have the best intentions.
Lord Alan Sugar tells 'complacent' office workers to 'get their a***s back now'
He’s declared working from home over.
metro.co.uk
Lord Sugar sees his office portfolio ‘suffering’ as staff stay at home
Lord Alan Sugar has said his central London property investments are "suffering" due to office workers staying home and City-based companies finding out they "don't need" pre-pandemic size premises.
www.standard.co.uk
We've got something here that could among other things, massively improve peoples quality of life, reduce the strain on public transport, get cars off the road & improve the environment. Companies who have implemented similar prior to the pandemic report increased productivity and staff retention. Its an absolute no brainer yet the clamour is for everyone to get back to the office.
chiefdave
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Seems details of Johnson's 'Operation Moonshoot' have been leaked. Have to say it reads more like another scheme to divert money to his mates than a serious proposal to get things back to some sort of normal.
www.bmj.com
Lets hope they can actually pull this off because at the moment its looking like it could be the only way we're getting back to anything approaching normal anytime soon.
To put that into perspective that's the same as the education budget for the UK, or over half the budget for the NHS.
Already questions being raised about the reliance on the private sector and a lack of experts being involved.
Also sounds like there's going to be an app so you can show you have had a negative test. No problem there with the great track record on app development!
Covid-19: Government plans to spend £100bn on expanding testing to 10 million a day
The UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn (€110bn; $130bn) expansion of its national testing programme, documents seen by The BMJ show. The internal correspondence reveals that the government is prepared...
David O'Day
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Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans
Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day.
www.bbc.co.uk
Wyken Sky Blue
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skybluetony176
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Surely they should all be self isolating for two weeks because of sneezy.
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Hmmm, I’m not sure it’s that dramatic. A lot of firms I’m aware of are, where possible, continuing some level of WFH. Look at a number of the banks and accountancy firms for example ?!!
I think a good thing to come out of all this will be better work life balance, flexible working etc but as I’ve said before that shouldn’t mean that most people shouldn’t be going back in at least a proportion of the time, if it’s safe for them to do so.
Ps there are also a number of intangible benefits for businesses and individuals from being in a work place together at least some of the time (building better relationships, sharing views and experiences, diverse thinking etc etc) Not to mention the wider short term impact on the local small business communities if people dont
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'm sure the people saying everyone should head back to the office have the best intentions.
Lord Alan Sugar tells 'complacent' office workers to 'get their a***s back now'
He’s declared working from home over.Almost laughable how its always the market should dictate but then a blind panic to get everyone in the office when it looks like property developers and the likes of Pret & Starbucks might lose a few quid.Lord Sugar sees his office portfolio ‘suffering’ as staff stay at home
Lord Alan Sugar has said his central London property investments are "suffering" due to office workers staying home and City-based companies finding out they "don't need" pre-pandemic size premises.
We've got something here that could among other things, massively improve peoples quality of life, reduce the strain on public transport, get cars off the road & improve the environment. Companies who have implemented similar prior to the pandemic report increased productivity and staff retention. Its an absolute no brainer yet the clamour is for everyone to get back to the office.
Nothing fucks up progress like monetary self interest...
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Seems details of Johnson's 'Operation Moonshoot' have been leaked. Have to say it reads more like another scheme to divert money to his mates than a serious proposal to get things back to some sort of normal.
To put that into perspective that's the same as the education budget for the UK, or over half the budget for the NHS.
Already questions being raised about the reliance on the private sector and a lack of experts being involved.
Also sounds like there's going to be an app so you can show you have had a negative test. No problem there with the great track record on app development!
Lets hope they can actually pull this off because at the moment its looking like it could be the only way we're getting back to anything approaching normal anytime soon.Covid-19: Government plans to spend £100bn on expanding testing to 10 million a day
The UK government has drawn up plans to carry out up to 10 million covid-19 tests a day by early next year as part of a huge £100bn (€110bn; $130bn) expansion of its national testing programme, documents seen by The BMJ show. The internal correspondence reveals that the government is prepared...
It's pie in the sky. It'd be great if it were possible but logistically and financially it's a non-starter.
Add to his list of crackpot ideas like a bridge to Ireland, the Estuary airport, the garden bridge, bendibuses....
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep it’s crazy that people have considered it as a possibility
Check out iAbra feature on Sky news .
Moonshot not so pie in the sky maybe ..
Like I said yesterday was discussing this at the barber's before the conference yesterday how frustrating that there wasn't a a viable instant test .
They have developed a machine that will analyse the sample of saliave ( realtime ,30 second's or so .
Transit points ,mass gatherings at sport , entertainment venues could function instantly.
Adaptable for all viruses.
Measures wavelengths through AI to identify spikes on protein's etc .
Moonshot not so pie in the sky maybe ..
Like I said yesterday was discussing this at the barber's before the conference yesterday how frustrating that there wasn't a a viable instant test .
They have developed a machine that will analyse the sample of saliave ( realtime ,30 second's or so .
Transit points ,mass gatherings at sport , entertainment venues could function instantly.
Adaptable for all viruses.
Measures wavelengths through AI to identify spikes on protein's etc .
David O'Day
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There is currently no technology that can reliably test quickly for Covid-19.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Or maybe there is...... Heathrow CEO: Fast-track 20-second COVID test - BusinessCloud
David O'Day
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or that is a system that could work but at this stage is not considered a gold standard system.
Nice try though
As the government says they hope the technology becomes available soon
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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The only way something like this would be even remotely feasible is if the virus has some sort of chemical signature that could be detected by a breathalyser. To my knowledge that isn't the case (although I did hear they were going to look into training dogs to detect corona)
David O'Day
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the issue with testing everyone everyday is that even with a 1% false positive you could let up to 600k cases slip through (unlikely i know but top line figures) or with the same rate of false positives you could take 600k out of the community each day.
The Virolens machine could be a nice thing to have at airports but as I said and the givernment and PHE say the technology to quickly and accurately test people does not exist.
The Virolens machine could be a nice thing to have at airports but as I said and the givernment and PHE say the technology to quickly and accurately test people does not exist.