Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (11 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Interesting article, worth a read.

The Most Likely Way You’ll Get Infected With Covid-19

You don’t have to sanitize your apples anymore, but you do have to wear a mask

elemental.medium.com

 

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[Nick]

I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.

And you ain't going in a super market.


There is no close proximity either.

 

[David O'Day]

over 4400 new cases, getting a bit grim.

Anyone seen Dom recently?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

over 4400 new cases, getting a bit grim.

Anyone seen Dom recently?

Mistakes and things have been taken out of context, let’s cut the bullshit and all stick together in these next few months

 

[ajsccfc]

And you ain't going in a super market.


There is no close proximity either.

It was never happening outside of a real lockdown but I wish supermarkets had operated a booking system for in-store shopping where you have a certain slot and they can actually control numbers, it's one thing that would have helped curb the virus quite a lot as people in shops don't seem to give a fuck about anyone

 

[Sick Boy]

It seems that early and incredibly strict lockdown (with high on the spot fines) here made a big difference.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Too late for us to do that and as an island nation really difficult for us to do what we need to do without having people come in with supplies.

 

[Sick Boy]

Too late for us to do that and as an island nation really difficult for us to do what we need to do without having people come in with supplies.

I’m not sure what difference an island nation makes? Every country has to have supplies from another to a certain extent - granted, here the majority food consumed is grown here.

 

[Skybluefaz]

What is this fresh hell? Modern life is rubbish.

 

[Sick Boy]

What is this fresh hell? Modern life is rubbish.

Too much watching American shite on social media.

 

[clint van damme]

What is this fresh hell? Modern life is rubbish.

Big UK QAnon contingent there yesterday apparently.

 

[Skybluefaz]

Big UK QAnon contingent there yesterday apparently.

Had to Google QAnon. Never heard of it, however I got an invite to one of these conspiracy pages on Facebook, full of desperate people with tin foil hats spreading all sorts of nonsense. Thing is, it clearly influences people. Scary shit.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Had to Google QAnon. Never heard of it, however I got an invite to one of these conspiracy pages on Facebook, full of desperate people with tin foil hats spreading all sorts of nonsense. Thing is, it clearly influences people. Scary shit.

And they’re not stupid that’s what scares me

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

As expected Hancock has blamed the public for not following safety measures if another lockdown occurs after spending weeks demanding people go out to the pub, restaurant and back to the office to help out the economy.

How the f*** are they being allowed to get away with this s***?

 

[Skybluefaz]

As expected Hancock has blamed the public for not following safety measures if another lockdown occurs after spending weeks demanding people go out to the pub, restaurant and back to the office to help out the economy.

How the f*** are they being allowed to get away with this s***?

And he's part of the government that said Cummings was well within his rights when he broke lockdown rules. Wankers.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Interesting article, worth a read.

The Most Likely Way You’ll Get Infected With Covid-19

You don’t have to sanitize your apples anymore, but you do have to wear a mask

elemental.medium.com

Really interesting article Dave. The viral load discussion has been going on for a while now and I’m no scientist but it seems to make logical sense

‘And even if some viral particles do get through, the viral dose will still be much smaller, so the person will be less likely to get seriously ill’

I know and understand why many want to have stricter national lockdown implemented but im still of the view that unless it’s to help avoid nhs capacity issues (which Id be 100% behind) there seems little point. The virus will continue to come in waves until a vaccine is found. Until then, wear masks in confined spaces, distance where possible and wash hands regularly. This will hopefully (again I’m no scientist) mean if/when you do get it it’s less likely to cause as significant illness. If you are higher risk and/or want to minimise chance of getting it full stop then obviously avoid going to busier places and only meet friends/family outdoors during peak spread (like now). For those that are more comfortable about it go about your ordinary business following the measures.

It’s been mentioned before about home transmission. I wonder if we will get to the point where people insist on wearing masks when visiting friends and relatives. Kind of makes sense to reduce spread/load and whilst I’m not a fan of wearing masks everywhere (I don’t see there is huge benefit unless in confined spaces - I still wear it though as it’s not worth taking the risk of passing stuff on) I think I would 100% keep it on if visiting any elderly/higher risk people I know.

 

[CCFCSteve]

As expected Hancock has blamed the public for not following safety measures if another lockdown occurs after spending weeks demanding people go out to the pub, restaurant and back to the office to help out the economy.

How the f*** are they being allowed to get away with this s***?

Hes a c**t. Do your job Hancock and we’ll do ours !

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just short of 4000 any details of hospitalisations and ventilators?

 

[Skybluefaz]

 

[CCFCSteve]

Just short of 4000 any details of hospitalisations and ventilators?

Latest I can find...

1081 hospitalised as at 17/9
138 on ventilators as at 18/9

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just short of 4000 any details of hospitalisations and ventilators?

Not update since Friday but numbers been growing steadily for both

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As expected Hancock has blamed the public for not following safety measures if another lockdown occurs after spending weeks demanding people go out to the pub, restaurant and back to the office to help out the economy.

How the f*** are they being allowed to get away with this s***?

Because they're an election winning machine

 

[Ian1779]

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Really interesting article Dave. The viral load discussion has been going on for a while now and I’m no scientist but it seems to make logical sense

‘And even if some viral particles do get through, the viral dose will still be much smaller, so the person will be less likely to get seriously ill’

I know and understand why many want to have stricter national lockdown implemented but im still of the view that unless it’s to help avoid nhs capacity issues (which Id be 100% behind) there seems little point. The virus will continue to come in waves until a vaccine is found. Until then, wear masks in confined spaces, distance where possible and wash hands regularly. This will hopefully (again I’m no scientist) mean if/when you do get it it’s less likely to cause as significant illness. If you are higher risk and/or want to minimise chance of getting it full stop then obviously avoid going to busier places and only meet friends/family outdoors during peak spread (like now). For those that are more comfortable about it go about your ordinary business following the measures.

It’s been mentioned before about home transmission. I wonder if we will get to the point where people insist on wearing masks when visiting friends and relatives. Kind of makes sense to reduce spread/load and whilst I’m not a fan of wearing masks everywhere (I don’t see there is huge benefit unless in confined spaces - I still wear it though as it’s not worth taking the risk of passing stuff on) I think I would 100% keep it on if visiting any elderly/higher risk people I know.

It would be useful if a mask were helpful above all else. You'd hope to God they'd revisit the workplace regulations that say masks aren't mandatory, however.

 

[Sick Boy]

It would be useful if a mask were helpful above all else. You'd hope to God they'd revisit the workplace regulations that say masks aren't mandatory, however.

Been back in the office since June and we have to wear them in communal areas but can sit at our desks without them - they’re used more in meeting rooms and corridors.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Been back in the office since June and we have to wear them in communal areas but can sit at our desks without them - they’re used more in meeting rooms and corridors.

How are things over in Italy now?

 

[Sick Boy]

How are things over in Italy now?

Other than wearing masks it’s pretty much back to normal, as I said I’ve been in the office since June and most workplaces and now back to normal as well.
Masks have to be worn indoors and it’s actually properly enforced and people actually wear them.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Other than wearing masks it’s pretty much back to normal, as I said I’ve been in the office since June and most workplaces and now back to normal as well.
Masks have to be worn indoors and it’s actually properly enforced and people actually wear them.

How have Italy avoided what Spain and France are experiencing?

 

[MusicDating]

Surprisingly balanced article from the beeb - Is it time we learnt to live with the virus?

 

[clint van damme]

Hancock caught blatantly lying again.
He should be made to chop one of his own fingers off live on air Yakuza style every time he gets caught bullshitting that might focus his mind on telling the truth to the people he's in office to serve.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Hancock caught blatantly lying again.
He should be made to chop one of his own fingers off live on air Yakuza style every time he gets caught bullshitting that might focus his mind on telling the truth to the people he's in office to serve.

The thing I don't get is how you can go from giving out vouchers to get people out into restaurants one minute, but then talk about giving out huge fines for leaving the house the next- it seems to be lurching from one extreme to the other with no plan whatsoever

 

[Grendel]

How have Italy avoided what Spain and France are experiencing?

Italy % increase of cases from mid August is the same as ours just off a lower base. Italy have more cases per 100,000 than Sweden who seem to now have a flat line.

Hancock refused too acknowledge the Sweden cases are not rising compared to every other Europe country you look at which is more worrying than anything else.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Italy % increase of cases from mid August is the same as ours just off a lower base. Italy have more cases per 100,000 than Sweden who seem to now have a flat line.

Hancock refused too acknowledge the Sweden cases are not rising compared to every other Europe country you look at which is more worrying than anything else.

Yeah, Sweden only gets talked about when things are looking shit there. They will probably have another spike at some point and then it will be all you hear about.

As I’ve said before though country comparisons are tricky:misleading. I think Sweden’s rate is probably easier to control due to number of single occupied households (40%) so the largest spread (in household) doesn’t happen. Its like South Korea is not a sensible comparison, by all means pick up useful tips but totally different culture (guessing far more law abiding) etc etc. Our comparables are some European countries, US etc but even they don’t really work ie US is so big (each state is like a different small country), so how on Earth do you control the spread ?!

 

[clint van damme]

Yeah, Sweden only gets talked about when things are looking shit there. They will probably have another spike at some point and then it will be all you hear about.

As I’ve said before though country comparisons are tricky:misleading. I think Sweden’s rate is probably easier to control due to number of single occupied households (40%) so the largest spread (in household) doesn’t happen. Its like South Korea is not a sensible comparison, by all means pick up useful tips but totally different culture (guessing far more law abiding) etc etc. Our comparables are some European countries, US etc but even they don’t really work ie US is so big (each state is like a different small country), so how on Earth do you control the spread ?!

I'd say that South Korea having a proliferation of testing facilities who can get results back to you in an hour for a small fee is a bit more than a 'useful tip'.

We should have had something similar up and running months ago instead of feathering the nest of Dido Harding and assorted other Tory cronies for no tangible return.

 

[shmmeee]

It was never happening outside of a real lockdown but I wish supermarkets had operated a booking system for in-store shopping where you have a certain slot and they can actually control numbers, it's one thing that would have helped curb the virus quite a lot as people in shops don't seem to give a fuck about anyone

I wish there was anything like enough capacity for home deliveries.

Yeah, Sweden only gets talked about when things are looking shit there. They will probably have another spike at some point and then it will be all you hear about.

As I’ve said before though country comparisons are tricky:misleading. I think Sweden’s rate is probably easier to control due to number of single occupied households (40%) so the largest spread (in household) doesn’t happen. Its like South Korea is not a sensible comparison, by all means pick up useful tips but totally different culture (guessing far more law abiding) etc etc. Our comparables are some European countries, US etc but even they don’t really work ie US is so big (each state is like a different small country), so how on Earth do you control the spread ?!

Sweden is a total red herring. The constitution prevents the government restricting freedom of movement (imagine!) but the actual rules in place are virtually identical Dont travel, no visiting care homes, unis and secondary schools closed, also the data shows that Swedish people reduced travel exactly the same as countries with full lockdown: