Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (43 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

With the Xmas thing I wonder if they'll be suggesting not to send cards/presents just in case. Certainly telling people not to lick the envelopes anyway.

Or alternatively put all correspondence into an autoclave

 

---

[Deleted member 5849]

What do you do every winter when the usual suspects are abundant?

Well there isn't that massive peak of excess deaths, there despite measures being brought in to combat it, too.

Bit of a flippant reply really.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Have you been in a gym?

My gym is cleaner than most hospitals. Bottles of spray and wipes next to everything and people cleaning after use as well as staff doing laps cleaning.

Proper inspection of places could be the way forward, anyway. Certain places seem to be more cautious than others, so they should maybe be allowed to stay open ahead of those who aren't as bothered.

 

[wingy]

The spin is getting pretty obvious.
We won't lockdown.
We don't want to lockdown .
Big pow wow at Chequers over the weekend.
Maybe two weeks over half term.
He will have to overcome stiff resistance within his own party Lol.

Reality ,it may require a lockdown to bring it back into containment , it may need 3 weeks and it may be needed earlier than a rigid target set in the near future .

 

[skybluetony176]

Have you been in a gym?

My gym is cleaner than most hospitals. Bottles of spray and wipes next to everything and people cleaning after use as well as staff doing laps cleaning.

I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well there isn't that massive peak of excess deaths, there despite measures being brought in to combat it, too.

Bit of a flippant reply really.

The death rate always picks up every winter so it’s not flippant, there are other unpleasant viruses around as well every year which will cause symptoms in nearly everyone who catch them as opposed to this one that makes a very high % asymptomatic. I may also be ‘acting flippant’ as some here are proposing that schools of 2000 on site be allowed to remain open with loads of households mixing and then wonder why the rate is going up. I will almost certainly get it between now and Christmas but have no option to refuse to go in.

Then ADM has suggested making us go in under these conditions and have us all kept inside for half term. Forgive me for ‘acting flippant’ under such circumstances

 

[skybluetony176]

Same with pubs. All the ones around us seem to be laying bands on to get people in. You then get a load of people shouting in each other’s faces to have a conversation.
Can’t help but feel that some joined up thinking not just from the government but also local authorities and landlords too could have delayed us getting to this point again or at least so quickly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Same with pubs. All the ones around us seem to be laying bands on to get people in. You then get a load of people shouting in each other’s faces to have a conversation.
Can’t help but feel that some joined up thinking not just from the government but also local authorities and landlords too could have delayed us getting to this point again or at least so quickly.

All of the precautions insisted on are happening because so many people don’t even get symptoms. Which in itself should be telling us something.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The death rate always picks up every winter so it’s not flippant, there are other unpleasant viruses around as well every year which will cause symptoms in nearly everyone who catch them as opposed to this one that makes a very high % asymptomatic. I may also be ‘acting flippant’ as some here are proposing that schools of 2000 on site be allowed to remain open with loads of households mixing and then wonder why the rate is going up. I will almost certainly get it between now and Christmas but have no option to refuse to go in.

Then ADM has suggested making us go in under these conditions and have us all kept inside for half term. Forgive me for ‘acting flippant’ under such circumstances

tbf, both Ian and I among others have pointed out that the risk from schools is passing on to others less able to deal with it.

It is flippant when there was an obvious, discernable, large boost above the average death rate. It's flippant and slightly insulting not to me, but people I care about who I have to worry about, too. It may be survival of the fittest, and I've already pointed out it is nature's way of saying we're over--populated, that there is an argument to let it do its thing... but to reduce it to a 'who cares' (which is how it's coming out, altgough I'm sure you don't intend that) is not helping my mood... You're not, after all, the only person who has to go in to places, and has no option but to go, and can't refuse to go in. If they almost certainly get it between now and Christmas, I'd rather them not be reduced to 'well they had underlying health issues' if that's all the same.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

tbf, both Ian and I among others have pointed out that the risk from schools is passing on to others less able to deal with it.

It is flippant when there was an obvious, discernable, large boost above the average death rate. It's flippant and slightly insulting not to me, but people I care about who I have to worry about, too. It may be survival of the fittest, and I've already pointed out it is nature's way of saying we're over--populated, that there is an argument to let it do its thing... but to reduce it to a 'who cares' (which is how it's coming out, altgough I'm sure you don't intend that) is not helping my mood... You're not, after all, the only person who has to go in to places, and has no option but to go, and can't refuse to go in. If they almost certainly get it between now and Christmas, I'd rather them not be reduced to 'well they had underlying health issues' if that's all the same.

It’s because I can’t provide a good education under these measures but everyone is saying how kids need to have access to one at this time. Remote learning earlier this year took my mental health through the ringer and this is doing it again. It is not just me but the proposals will make it so it’s just my profession.

All I’m really asking is to let me go over and help students and to let me do practical work with them.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.

Indeed. It's an indoor setting where the exertion will lead to heavy breathing and thus a far larger potential range of infection and viral load. But I'd shut them after the pubs because after a few beers inhibitions are gone and distancing etc goes out the window. At least in gyms the likelihood is everyone will remain vigilant.

However, shutting the pubs would be way more unpopular than shutting the gyms so I think we all know which is most likely to happen under Johnson.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The death rate always picks up every winter so it’s not flippant, there are other unpleasant viruses around as well every year which will cause symptoms in nearly everyone who catch them as opposed to this one that makes a very high % asymptomatic. I may also be ‘acting flippant’ as some here are proposing that schools of 2000 on site be allowed to remain open with loads of households mixing and then wonder why the rate is going up. I will almost certainly get it between now and Christmas but have no option to refuse to go in.

Then ADM has suggested making us go in under these conditions and have us all kept inside for half term. Forgive me for ‘acting flippant’ under such circumstances

We've no idea how someone who has had Covid will be if they pick up colds and flu over the winter as their lung capacity may have been affected and they struggle to get enough oxygen due to damaged lungs. And that may not be just the vulnerable - plenty of young, healthy people are saying that even months later they're still struggling with physical exertion. It could be argued those that have had Covid are now part of the vulnerable sector because they may have lung damage.

So even though Covid itself may not be strong enough to kill a young healthy person it could massively increase their susceptibility to other complications further on, or even premature death.

We seem to have a lot of people being blase about a situation we have no idea what the long term effects will be.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You wouldnt notice any difference if they closed the town centre anyway

I would. I can buy a nearly new suit there for £5.

 

[Grendel]

I would. I can buy a nearly new suit there for £5.

Youve been ripped off - must have seen you coming

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

tbf, both Ian and I among others have pointed out that the risk from schools is passing on to others less able to deal with it.

It is flippant when there was an obvious, discernable, large boost above the average death rate. It's flippant and slightly insulting not to me, but people I care about who I have to worry about, too. It may be survival of the fittest, and I've already pointed out it is nature's way of saying we're over--populated, that there is an argument to let it do its thing... but to reduce it to a 'who cares' (which is how it's coming out, altgough I'm sure you don't intend that) is not helping my mood... You're not, after all, the only person who has to go in to places, and has no option but to go, and can't refuse to go in. If they almost certainly get it between now and Christmas, I'd rather them not be reduced to 'well they had underlying health issues' if that's all the same.

I've just heard that Wolson Grange care home is now shutting to all visitors for a month as a member of staff has just tested positive. It's a big care home and they've gone out of their way in the last few months to protect everyone. I feel really sorry for all concerned.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We've no idea how someone who has had Covid will be if they pick up colds and flu over the winter as their lung capacity may have been affected and they struggle to get enough oxygen due to damaged lungs. And that may not be just the vulnerable - plenty of young, healthy people are saying that even months later they're still struggling with physical exertion. It could be argued those that have had Covid are now part of the vulnerable sector because they may have lung damage.

So even though Covid itself may not be strong enough to kill a young healthy person it could massively increase their susceptibility to other complications further on, or even premature death.

We seem to have a lot of people being blase about a situation we have no idea what the long term effects will be.

I have complied in turning the classroom into an operating theatre and I don't go out of my box. I wear my non-clinically tested mask over my face that makes it hard to breathe around the school and getting to and from it. I also defend regulations I don't agree with to the students who have all noticed the contradictions in them. The surge in cases is being blamed on irresponsible young people when it's more likely a consequence of reopening schools. For each young person that falls ill with it, many more catch it and experience nothing.

Though I guess I'm not allowed to be unhappy with it or to complain. Now I am being told I must simultaneously deliver in classroom teaching and remote learning for those who are off for any reason and not just COVID self-isolation. I agree I can come across as being churlish but it's a reflection of where I'm at with my state of mind as both of us in the house are in the same position.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Youve been ripped off - must have seen you coming

I haggled and got it down from £8. I thought I'd got a bargain.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

We've no idea how someone who has had Covid will be if they pick up colds and flu over the winter as their lung capacity may have been affected and they struggle to get enough oxygen due to damaged lungs. And that may not be just the vulnerable - plenty of young, healthy people are saying that even months later they're still struggling with physical exertion. It could be argued those that have had Covid are now part of the vulnerable sector because they may have lung damage.

So even though Covid itself may not be strong enough to kill a young healthy person it could massively increase their susceptibility to other complications further on, or even premature death.

We seem to have a lot of people being blase about a situation we have no idea what the long term effects will be.

Can anyone imagine the clamour for tests when the normal winter coughs and colds kick in ? It'll make the present lottery look thoroughly organised .

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Can anyone imagine the clamour for tests when the normal winter coughs and colds kick in ? It'll make the present lottery look thoroughly organised .

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Then let me teach them properly rather than in random rooms confined to a box

Im thinking that as we are in unprecedented times the govt should just change the half term holidays to coincide with a lockdown, rather than the other way round. It might be impossible to put into action but what we don't need is a situation where we might have a short, sharp lockdown, the kids then go back to school for one week and then are off on holidays for another week. That would be stupid.
No doubt it would fuck up people's holiday plans etc but anyone who books a holiday now is asking for it !

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Im thinking that as we are in unprecedented times the govt should just change the half term holidays to coincide with a lockdown, rather than the other way round. It might be impossible to put into action but what we don't need is a situation where we might have a short, sharp lockdown, the kids then go back to school for one week and then are off on holidays for another week. That would be stupid.
No doubt it would fuck up people's holiday plans etc but anyone who books a holiday now is asking for it !

You could but we've only been back for a few weeks and we would then be left with an enormous time between the earlier half term and Christmas. My view is if you want to do that, lock everything else down but let schools run under normal conditions. I would then mind less having to simultaneously teach remotely if in the classroom I was giving normal lessons.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You could but we've only been back for a few weeks and we would then be left with an enormous time between the earlier half term and Christmas. My view is if you want to do that, lock everything else down but let schools run under normal conditions. I would then mind less having to simultaneously teach remotely if in the classroom I was giving normal lessons.

Having thought about the idea I'm dismissing it as unworkable, what with childcare planning etc. It seemed a good idea for about 15 minutes.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Having thought about the idea I'm dismissing it as unworkable, what with childcare planning etc. It seemed a good idea for about 15 minutes.

At least you're trying to think of something, I don't think the powers that be are. I do agree that children have a right to the best education they can receive (that's why I do the job!), but they aren't getting it right now. I also have little faith that teachers would get priority shopping access in the case of a schools-exempt nationwide lockdown though it's the least of my concerns right now

 

[CCFCSteve]

Indeed. It's an indoor setting where the exertion will lead to heavy breathing and thus a far larger potential range of infection and viral load.

Wondered what you were talking about for a minute SBD

 

[chiefdave]

You could but we've only been back for a few weeks and we would then be left with an enormous time between the earlier half term and Christmas. My view is if you want to do that, lock everything else down but let schools run under normal conditions. I would then mind less having to simultaneously teach remotely if in the classroom I was giving normal lessons.

Surely that could be easily solved by having another week off in early November, take a week of the other holidays if you're worried about losing a week.

Having thought about the idea I'm dismissing it as unworkable, what with childcare planning etc. It seemed a good idea for about 15 minutes.

Is that not an issue anyway with years, or even entire schools, being sent home for 2 weeks with no notice?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Surely that could be easily solved by having another week off in early November, take a week of the other holidays if you're worried about losing a week.

Possibly but then you're just taking holiday off elsewhere. And again it's meaningless if when I'm in I'm not allowed to teach properly.

 

[chiefdave]

Close the schools vs closing pubs and gyms doesn’t really need discussion.

It seems odd to me how the goalposts get moved so regularly without much mention. We had months of experts saying that to open schools up for the new term would need something to be closed to compensate, even if the R was stable. Yet when we get to the start of term we open schools up despite the fact the R is rising and don't shut anything else down.

Same with people saying schools are breeding grounds for germs. Flat denial for months and now that the kids have gone back people are talking about how there's always a big rise in flu etc when the kids go back.

Whatever happened to the covid alert system and that weird graph that showed it was safe to open schools when the R dropped below 1? They both seem to have been binned now they don't line up with what the government wants to do.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Im thinking that as we are in unprecedented times the govt should just change the half term holidays to coincide with a lockdown, rather than the other way round. It might be impossible to put into action but what we don't need is a situation where we might have a short, sharp lockdown, the kids then go back to school for one week and then are off on holidays for another week. That would be stupid.
No doubt it would fuck up people's holiday plans etc but anyone who books a holiday now is asking for it !

I like the thinking behind this although the pitfalls within it are clear. If the rate is increasing massively and requires a lockdown earlier than holiday times it's not going to be as effective in keeping things under control. It would probably be a little bit of a help but maybe not long enough to make enough of a difference.

So the next thought is make the holidays more flexible so lockdown can be introduced when needed without affecting overall time in school, but this makes it impossible to plan for with parents needing time off etc at short notice (although if it were lockdown they may arguably be at home anyway but would depend on the job and would most likely be a disadvatage to poorer families) It adds strain onto teachers as kids start to learn something then have a few weeks off and the topic needs to be redone and you effectively need to teach the syllabus to them twice.

The initial idea was supposed to be shut things down to allow schools to open which would be sensible but unpopular and has the that once you knew the kids were going back to school there would be a massive rush to go to the pub etc before they shut, and if you opened them during half term or whatever again the rush to get there during that short window would be problematic.

Perhaps a sort of timeshare should have been considered to enable both to continue operating to some degree so schools and businesses like pubs open alternately, say three weeks in school, two weeks out with summer holidays shortened as a result to try and reduce this clamour. Kids continue to get an education but economic reality is also given consideration. It wouldn't be ideal for either but would be a compromise, but this would've needed enough time so teachers and parents could plan ahead for this, so isn't feasible now.

 

[Ian1779]

I like the thinking behind this although the pitfalls within it are clear. If the rate is increasing massively and requires a lockdown earlier than holiday times it's not going to be as effective in keeping things under control. It would probably be a little bit of a help but maybe not long enough to make enough of a difference.

So the next thought is make the holidays more flexible so lockdown can be introduced when needed without affecting overall time in school, but this makes it impossible to plan for with parents needing time off etc at short notice (although if it were lockdown they may arguably be at home anyway but would depend on the job and would most likely be a disadvatage to poorer families) It adds strain onto teachers as kids start to learn something then have a few weeks off and the topic needs to be redone and you effectively need to teach the syllabus to them twice.

The initial idea was supposed to be shut things down to allow schools to open which would be sensible but unpopular and has the that once you knew the kids were going back to school there would be a massive rush to go to the pub etc before they shut, and if you opened them during half term or whatever again the rush to get there during that short window would be problematic.

Perhaps a sort of timeshare should have been considered to enable both to continue operating to some degree so schools and businesses like pubs open alternately, say three weeks in school, two weeks out with summer holidays shortened as a result to try and reduce this clamour. Kids continue to get an education but economic reality is also given consideration. It wouldn't be ideal for either but would be a compromise, but this would've needed enough time so teachers and parents could plan ahead for this, so isn't feasible now.

The reality of taking time out of the summer break is a non starter. Ofqual haven't even decided what they are doing about next summers exams yet (will they delay till late June/early - and still won’t for another month at the earliest.

Lost time for kids in Y11 and Y13 can’t in reality be clawed back, such is the timeline if they do complete exams.

The entire structure is inflexible (and outdated IMO). There would need to be a complete overhaul of the system - and the people in charge can’t even deliver on Cov-ID tests.

 

[covmark]

I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.

Have you been to the gym?

Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk

 

[chiefdave]

Interesting article, worth a read.

The Most Likely Way You’ll Get Infected With Covid-19

You don’t have to sanitize your apples anymore, but you do have to wear a mask

elemental.medium.com

 

[Nick]

I don’t care how clean it is, it’s an air born virus too and people puffing and panting in close proximity too each other is a risk. If it’s a choice between you going to the gym and my children going to the school you ain’t going to the gym.

And you ain't going in a super market.


There is no close proximity either.

 

[David O'Day]

over 4400 new cases, getting a bit grim.

Anyone seen Dom recently?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

over 4400 new cases, getting a bit grim.

Anyone seen Dom recently?

Mistakes and things have been taken out of context, let’s cut the bullshit and all stick together in these next few months

 

[ajsccfc]

And you ain't going in a super market.


There is no close proximity either.

It was never happening outside of a real lockdown but I wish supermarkets had operated a booking system for in-store shopping where you have a certain slot and they can actually control numbers, it's one thing that would have helped curb the virus quite a lot as people in shops don't seem to give a fuck about anyone