Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (6 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

What I want to see is a lot more useful data. Why can't the Test and Trace service produce reports listing commonality between places visited by people who are infected? e.g. how many people traced had visited a pub or restaurant within the preceding week, how many had used public transport, how many work from home etc etc.

 

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[CCFCSteve]

What I want to see is a lot more useful data. Why can't the Test and Trace service produce reports listing commonality between places visited by people who are infected? e.g. how many people traced had visited a pub or restaurant within the preceding week, how many had used public transport, how many work from home etc etc.

100%. Gone a bit quieter on the app but hoping it will be part of Johnson’s misery announcement later in the week. Read it has a QR scanner you scan when you go into certain locations which should mean more useful data, highlight hot spots etc.

 

[chiefdave]

Among all the depressing news this morning something a bit more hopeful.

Sir Patrick Vallance said that there was good progress being made on vaccines.

He said the UK was in a "good position" and that it was possible that a vaccine could be available by the end of the year in small amounts for certain groups.

"In the meantime we have got to get in control of this," he said.

 

[fernandopartridge]

100%. Gone a bit quieter on the app but hoping it will be part of Johnson’s misery announcement later in the week. Read it has a QR scanner you scan when you go into certain locations which should mean more useful data, highlight hot spots etc.

Aye, that'll be very specific but if you want people to moderate their behaviour, surely showing links between certain activities and the rise of infection is essential. There is a lot of indirect reference to not visiting others' houses, that's fine but show us the data it is based on.

It's surely basic public health messaging, of the sort that you see all over fag packets.

 

[skybluetony176]

100%. Gone a bit quieter on the app but hoping it will be part of Johnson’s misery announcement later in the week. Read it has a QR scanner you scan when you go into certain locations which should mean more useful data, highlight hot spots etc.

Just been announced it’s being launched on Thursday, without contact tracing.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The interesting thing is the 200 deaths per day

An average of 300/day die every year in the UK from respiratory diseases (pneumonia/lung cancer/COPD).

 

[clint van damme]

An average of 300/day die every year in the UK from respiratory diseases (pneumonia/lung cancer/COPD).

So a 2 thirds increase is a fairly worrying prospect

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

100%. Gone a bit quieter on the app but hoping it will be part of Johnson’s misery announcement later in the week. Read it has a QR scanner you scan when you go into certain locations which should mean more useful data, highlight hot spots etc.

Maccies have this concept. You scan the QR code it takes you to a website where you put a fake name and number in when you don't want to be tracked or traced.

 

[David O'Day]

So a 2 thirds increase is a fairly worrying prospect

Nah mate, don't you know that you can't worry about preventable deaths because other [people die of other not related things.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Aye, that'll be very specific but if you want people to moderate their behaviour, surely showing links between certain activities and the rise of infection is essential. There is a lot of indirect reference to not visiting others' houses, that's fine but show us the data it is based on.

It's surely basic public health messaging, of the sort that you see all over fag packets.

I guess it’s because it’s very hard to be 100% sure where someone’s caught it. They’ll have a very good idea though. The surveillance report indicates the locations for the track and trace but not then who tested positive (that step would be useful and surely not difficult to do)

 

[CCFCSteve]

Maccies have this concept. You scan the QR code it takes you to a website where you put a fake name and number in when you don't want to be tracked or traced.

Haha, like it ! think this is all tied to your phone though, which has app on. Like everything probably open to abuse but that’s where the public have to take some responsibility in all this

 

[David O'Day]

What's the point then?

 

[CCFCSteve]

What's the point then?

Yeah, you do have to wonder ! I also have to wonder that if in most countries only 40% are downloading the apps and you need 80% for them to be effective, why we’ve bothered with one at all anyway

 

[ccfc92]

Maccies have this concept. You scan the QR code it takes you to a website where you put a fake name and number in when you don't want to be tracked or traced.

McD's are brilliant. Make sure you sign in, social distance etc, but please all come and order off the screens that we haven't wiped down after every use....

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

100%. This links to the "cancel culture" issue. I get the point that we should allow people a platform because then they can then go on things like Question Time and be debated down & made to look stupid. Thats great... in principle.

Problem is we don't live in that age any more. Those days are long gone.

Tweets/ posts by prominent anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists & general morons get seen by more people in minutes than would watch a specific TV programme to hear someone talk, pretty sure I read somewhere that some crazy stuff saying "it is now proven that masks are actually as dangerous as covid" was retweeted 10m times in half an hour or something ridiculous- information is disseminated in a profoundly different way now, everyone has a platform and its incredibly powerful. Debate people all you want, it will do no good. Its a different playing field now and rules need to come in to reflect it.

So thats why in my opinion, if you're one of these people telling outright lies, and you have many hundreds of 000s of impressionable people reading attentively, then you should be gone, banned, "cancelled"- whatever you want to call it. You are abusing a platform in order to perpetuate proven mistruths, so you should lose that platform, its that simple.

Don't know how you do it practically, I get that too, but its not my job to know how to do it, somehow Twitter/ Facebook etc should actually be forced to implement rules whereby if you are caught spreading lies then you're gone- especially when peoples' lives are literally at risk from all this shit "advice" being spouted.

It's going to have to be legislated for like slander and libel. Fines for tweeting/retweeting stuff that's untrue - more followers = bigger fine. In this day and age debt could be wiped out in 18 months.

 

[shmmeee]

Maccies have this concept. You scan the QR code it takes you to a website where you put a fake name and number in when you don't want to be tracked or traced.

Went to Hearsall Common fair last night. Same thing but they just ask for an email address. Not even your name.

This crap is a data hoarders wet dream, I hope someone at the ICO will be on the ball getting all this lovely contact data wiped when this is all over.

 

[chiefdave]

It's going to have to be legislated for like slander and libel. Fines for tweeting/retweeting stuff that's untrue - more followers = bigger fine. In this day and age debt could be wiped out in 18 months.

Start at the top. Have an MPs code of conduct and they get hammered if they bullshit.

 

[David O'Day]

4,368 and that is with the typical Monday drop

 

[fernandopartridge]

4,368 and that is with the typical Monday drop

And with a testing system in disarray so who knows how out of date it is.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Just come back from the local shop. I was the only one of four sets of customers (7 people in total) wearing a mask...

I think some of the population are past caring.

 

[Grendel]

Just come back from the local shop. I was the only one of four sets of customers (7 people in total) wearing a mask...

I think some of the population are past caring.

Is that the Spar on banners brook?

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Is that the Spar on banners brook?

No, it's the indie shop at the top of upper eastern green road - used to be known Louise's when I was a kid.

But I think I can see your reasoning....

 

[Grendel]

No, it's the indie shop at the top of upper eastern green road - used to be known Louise's when I was a kid.

But I think I can see your reasoning....

I went to the chip shop there last week - I normally go to the Meriden one - and had to get some bread From there - dear me it’s really an argument against allowing social housing on a newish estate

 

[hill83]

I went to the chip shop there last week - I normally go to the Meriden one - and had to get some bread From there - dear me it’s really an argument against allowing social housing on a newish estate

I got called a c**t by a kid with floppy hair who looked about 10 the other day up there. Top laugh.

We looked at houses round there but thought better of it within 5 minutes.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I can take them limiting the opening hours for hospitality but if they full on close anything good while making my job worse by the week I’m leaving the profession

 

[Ian1779]

 

[Grendel]

I got called a c**t by a kid with floppy hair who looked about 10 the other day up there. Top laugh.

We looked at houses round there but thought better of it within 5 minutes.

Some idiot decided to ride his bike in that stupid wheelie style and make me stop in front of him. He said if I’d hit him I’d be down the nick. True I said but you’d be fucking dead you Moron

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I got called a c**t by a kid with floppy hair who looked about 10 the other day up there. Top laugh.

We looked at houses round there but thought better of it within 5 minutes.

Could you build a set of houses that looked cheaper than the ones on that estate? Ooh look, detached with four beds, and an awning over the front door..

 

[hill83]

Could you build a set of houses that looked cheaper than the ones on that estate? Ooh look, detached with four beds, and an awning over the front door..

Tiny as well, we looked at a 3 bed opposite the pub. And another one that had a garage but it was around the corner and 30 seconds down the road, rather than the garage right next door. Wouldn't fit a car in it anyway. Plus no parking. And loads of dickheads charging around. It's horrible and over priced.

And I say that being brought up in a council estate in Hillfields.

Anyway, way off topic.

 

[xcraigx]

Just come back from the local shop. I was the only one of four sets of customers (7 people in total) wearing a mask...

I think some of the population are past caring.

I go down my local shop every day and it's a busy place almost always. The amount in the shop stopped being monitored a couple of months back, social distancing does not happen and face mask use is probably 20% at most. Sometimes i'm the only one in there with one on. Staff don't have gloves, masks, screens... nothing at all. It really does feel like business as normal.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Start at the top. Have an MPs code of conduct and they get hammered if they bullshit.

I've said before MP's should be the early adopters, not the exceptions. Any law they don't have to follow neither do we. 'Parliamentary privilege' is a load of bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I assume there's something else to come, otherwise what's the point?

Covid: Pubs and restaurants in England to have 10pm closing times

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove also says that "if people can work from home they should".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[hill83]

Great excuse to start early then.

 

[dutchman]

I thought there'd be run on supermarket beer but haven't seen any sign of that so far.

 

[fernandopartridge]

My local shuts at 2230 anyway post lockdown so I don't think this is the magic key. Just pointless distraction from the data which is all going in the wrong direction.