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Picking up twice hasn't been proven or disproven yet.
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (14 Viewers)
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Grendel
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The general consensus is that only 2 people have been infected twice so stastically its highly unlikely and certainly within a 3-4 month time frame
Sky Blue Pete
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Not true you are most infectious when you have symptoms. You are infectious about 3 days before and 10 days agree but the curve peaks when you have symptoms (if you have symptoms!!!!!)
Brighton Sky Blue
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A teacher who can be reinfected in the autumn
Sky Blue Pete
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There is no confirmed immunity from having the virus. This has been known since March
Brighton Sky Blue
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I meant they likely had onset of symptoms while still in school. Badly phrased
Ring Of Steel
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I don't think anybody knows anything for sure, also starting to look like a lot of people will have side effects if they catch it & recover- Chronic Fatigue Syndrome & nasty stuff like that, which is why its not all about just looking at death rates, there are healthy young people who had it, recovered, but then can't walk up the stairs a few months down the line, permanent liver, lung & heart damage- loads of unknowns yet.
Sky Blue Pete
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Ah yep absolutely correct!!!
Liquid Gold
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Yeah it looks like there are really nasty long term consequences. One thing I can't understand is the bit I highlighted. How do they know this is permanent, obviously it's not even been around for 12 months so how do they know the organs won't recover given time, particularly the liver as it regenerates.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Oh Im' sure they do....I was being a little facetious tbh.
That said, the point kinda stands. Theres a wetherspoons in liverpool that has reported 12 cases amongst staff.....the wider problem is that these staff have in all likelyhood been infected for a good week or so (the first 2 staff cases were reported 10 days before the next 10)
during that week they've come into contact with hundreds of folk, many of whom were officially not even customers of spoons, but were in the shared outside area surrounded on all 4 sides by bars which had several thousand partying in it throughout the weekend......
We're doomed.
Sky Blue Pete
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We do know for sure and have known since the outset that there is no immunity after having had the virus.
Grendel
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How Long Does Immunity Last After COVID-19? What We Know
Here’s what we currently know about how long people may be immune after they recover from COVID-19 or get the vaccine.
www.healthline.com
jimmyhillsfanclub
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The news this morning had a Prof highlighting another issue......many folk, in 18-35 age range especially, do not "do" mainstream media so are not even aware of new or changing rules......
....so brace yourselves for the inevitable Matt Hancock tik-tok
....so brace yourselves for the inevitable Matt Hancock tik-tok
Brighton Sky Blue
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If that is correct a vaccine would be nearly impossible
Ring Of Steel
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Thats what I thought too, I don't have the answer but I tried reading some technical stuff- most went over my head but seems to be due to the scarring on the organs that they can detect.
David O'Day
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Spoons strangely is one of the hottest on social distancing and contact tracing.
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Yeah. I'd personally pin my long term hopes on anti viral treatment, along with natural weakening. We don't seem to hear about any developments of the former however, it's all vaccine.
Antibodies wear off,but Tcells retain memory?
fernandopartridge
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No, none of the statements in the first paragraph are proven.
The comparison with chicken pox is wrong, anybody who has had chicken pox has immunity to it. This is not the case with Covid.
fernandopartridge
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Assume that's the one near Alma de Cuba
Brighton Sky Blue
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Antivirals are in the pipeline but invariably harder to prepare.
shmmeee
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Was reading. A Twitter thread from a Doctor. Made me a lot more confident we can handle the same again much better this time. Was saying they’re stocked for PPE now, have solidnprocesses in place that everyone understands and follows, can keep other services running unlike before now they can cohort off the virus patients. Obviously also said it’ll be hell and they couldn’t cope without the peak being suppressed but really positive.
I think the long term answer is a mix of sensible measures like masks and hand washing and improved treatments and processes in hospital. I saw one study showing vitamin D treatment reduced mortality in ICU from something like 50% to 5%, lots of big improvements to be rolled out.
Still might mean severe long term issues for some, but all tips the balance a little closer to normality.
I think the long term answer is a mix of sensible measures like masks and hand washing and improved treatments and processes in hospital. I saw one study showing vitamin D treatment reduced mortality in ICU from something like 50% to 5%, lots of big improvements to be rolled out.
Still might mean severe long term issues for some, but all tips the balance a little closer to normality.
Sky Blue Pete
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I’ll come back on this.I have friends involved and one of the reasons herd immunity was rejected was that we have no guarantee of immunity having had the virus. I have clearly not understood what they were saying as well as i thought thoughHow Long Does Immunity Last After COVID-19? What We Know
Here’s what we currently know about how long people may be immune after they recover from COVID-19 or get the vaccine.
Brighton Sky Blue
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When infected you should be producing memory cells also-if the actual virus doesn’t confer this then I don’t see how a similar but different one will in a vaccine. In fact the Oxford vaccine didn’t seem to prevent reinfection, it just reduced things to asymptomatic.
Ring Of Steel
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Herd immunity was a massive mistake- you need enough people to be immune (we had no idea if anyone was immune), and/or a vaccine to introduce immunity, nobody has either. Now it seems that you're not immune even if you have had it, you can get it a few months down the line after recovering, so in that case no vaccine= no herd immunity, and we have to learn to live with it, manage it & come up with new/ more effective treatments. I am not a doctor by any means but my money would be on more effective treatments coming way before a vaccine. We haven't got a cure for the common cold yet, there was no vaccine for things like swine flu was there? So I don't see how we can suddenly magic up a vaccine for whats being called the most complex & mystifying virus ever to descend upon mankind.
Sky Blue Pete
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I’m not either
Brighton Sky Blue
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A vaccine that makes everyone asymptomatic (as approx half of people infected already are) is probably the best bet, then antiviral if we’re really stuck.
Ring Of Steel
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Was that the intention of the Oxford vaccine? Seems pretty smart- if you can't get rid of it then make it way less harmful
shmmeee
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Would that mean those vulnerable wouldn’t show symptoms or what? Basically what’s functionally the difference between immunity and not having symptoms?
Sky Blue Pete
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Good question
Brighton Sky Blue
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The intention was to have no reinfection but they fell short of that.
Brighton Sky Blue
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That’s what I took from the stuff I’ve read and would I think be an acceptable condition of ‘return to normal’. The problem is then supply to the world population
Sky Blue Pete
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Ok so my friends reply makes sense
Ok what we know:
* if you've had covid once you can get it again as little as 4 months later, perhaps less. The shorter the time between infections, the more likely it is to be milder second time, in fact very likely to be asymptomatic, which is great for the person involved and terrible for infection control as they can still be infectious i.e. a silent carrier.
* some of the vaccine strategies hope to achieve full immunity (i.e. can't get ill and can't carry) but others, and perhaps the ones which will be ready first, may only prevent you getting ill but you can still carry it.
* there's no hope of herd immunity unless you can get to a point where ~60% of people can't *carry* it, hence definitely not possible without a vaccine.
Ok what we know:
* if you've had covid once you can get it again as little as 4 months later, perhaps less. The shorter the time between infections, the more likely it is to be milder second time, in fact very likely to be asymptomatic, which is great for the person involved and terrible for infection control as they can still be infectious i.e. a silent carrier.
* some of the vaccine strategies hope to achieve full immunity (i.e. can't get ill and can't carry) but others, and perhaps the ones which will be ready first, may only prevent you getting ill but you can still carry it.
* there's no hope of herd immunity unless you can get to a point where ~60% of people can't *carry* it, hence definitely not possible without a vaccine.
chiefdave
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Eye opening article as I was under the impression players were being tested. Turns out the EFL have scrapped that, although they claim its not down to cost.
Spurs weren't happy the Orient players weren't being tested so paid for the tests themselves and the majority of the squad came back positive.
Mansfield aren't happy as they played them last weekend. The manager had said players might be missing due to a bug going round the squad but said it defiantly wasn't covid related.
www.theguardian.com
Spurs weren't happy the Orient players weren't being tested so paid for the tests themselves and the majority of the squad came back positive.
Mansfield aren't happy as they played them last weekend. The manager had said players might be missing due to a bug going round the squad but said it defiantly wasn't covid related.
Majority of Leyton Orient squad test positive for Covid-19 before Spurs tie
Leyton Orient’s squad has shown a high number of positive Covid-19 tests, which has led to the expectation that Tuesday’s Carabao Cup tie at home to Tottenham will be called off
David O'Day
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One issue with closing pubs at 10pm means you are likely to have more people drunk and on the streets of town and city centres together. Later opening hours stagger the amount of people leaving at 1 particular time. This could create more unsocial distanced interaction.