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David O'Day

David O'Day

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Back when all this kicked off, I called us being let out for summer, and slammed shut about the last week of October.

I still reckon that's about right, although it could well be earlier at this rate...
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I'd be surprised
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Anyone think it's odd that London hasn't shut any of its boroughs down yet ?
I can't believe this overcrowded scummy city seems to have miraculously escaped the spread of covid more than other big cities Do they think the population of our beloved capital won't cope and will panic , spreading panic and riots all over the country ?
Probably .
Perhaps everyone north of Watford Gap simply doesn't wash their hands .
I don't trust any of these figures.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Wonder when I'll ever be allowed out of the 'box'. At this rate being allowed to eat a sit down meal would be nice (half the kids are able to each day)
 
Skybluefaz

Skybluefaz

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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Anyone think it's odd that London hasn't shut any of its boroughs down yet ?
I can't believe this overcrowded scummy city seems to have miraculously escaped the spread of covid more than other big cities Do they think the population of our beloved capital won't cope and will panic , spreading panic and riots all over the country ?
Probably .
Perhaps everyone north of Watford Gap simply doesn't wash their hands .
I don't trust any of these figures.
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Great Alan Partridge take on things.
 
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CCFCSteve

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David O'Day said:
See I get that, it's horrible but they have to try and follow the law
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Follow the law DOD ?! Come on. It’s crazy.

There are huge numbers of people running round saying ‘protect the elderly’, has anyone asked them what they want ?!

The median age of Covid deaths in this country is the same as the average life expectancy (around 80ish). I’d imagine most people in their 70s and 80s would actually chose to spend what time they have left seeing their grandchildren grow up, being comforted by a loved one, living their lives and ultimately taking their chances.

If there is risk around nhs capacity then I’m 100% behind enforcing restrictions and measures, but otherwise I think it should be down to the individual if they wanted to be hugged or comforted by a loved one - I’m saying that as someone who would currently chose not to hug their mum (unless at an extremely distressing time) as she is high risk and I wouldn’t forgive myself if I passed her Covid, however, it should be an individuals choice
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Ian1779 said:
So at that rate we’ll be getting 50/60K cases a day before the kids break up for half term.
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When this idea of a circuit breaker lockdown was first raised not long after the schools went back I heard a scientist who is on SAGE talking on Radio 4. He said if we were going to do it we needed to do it immediately. Said if we waited to try and tie it in with he school holidays we'd be too late for it to have much impact. Once again it seems the science was ignored.
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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CCFCSteve said:
Follow the law DOD ?! Come on. It’s crazy.

There are huge numbers of people running round saying ‘protect the elderly’, has anyone asked them what they want ?!

The median age of Covid deaths in this country is the same as the average life expectancy (around 80ish). I’d imagine most people in their 70s and 80s would actually chose to spend what time they have left seeing their grandchildren grow up, being comforted by a loved one, living their lives and ultimately taking their chances.

If there is risk around nhs capacity then I’m 100% behind enforcing restrictions and measures, but otherwise I think it should be down to the individual if they wanted to be hugged or comforted by a loved one - I’m saying that as someone who would currently chose not to hug their mum (unless at an extremely distressing time) as she is high risk and I wouldn’t forgive myself if I passed her Covid, however, it should be an individuals choice
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Thats how I am. My mom is taking huge risks. She was shielded but now has had enough. However if I gave her it I’d never forgive myself
 
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CCFCSteve

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Thats how I am. My mom is taking huge risks. She was shielded but now has had enough. However if I gave her it I’d never forgive myself
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I think most are taking those risks from what I’ve heard. I still tell mine to avoid supermarkets, take all the usual precautions (mask, was hands etc etc) but other than that I cant argue with her if she wants to get out and about and live her life. It’s the same with nearly all my mates parents...all pretty stubborn as well !! (one of my best mates dads has just been diagnosed with terminal cancer and it’s that type of thing which makes it very difficult to argue against their approaches)
 
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wingy

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Did someone post up a number on Children off school for one region earlier?
Sure I've seen a figure of 8000 today, thought it was on here but can't seem to locate it .
 
chiefdave

chiefdave

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Excellent post from Hayseed Dixie of all people. Still got a lot of contacts in that industry from my time working in it and its desperately sad seeing people losing their jobs and being told they aren't viable when they are ready and willing to work but being prevented from doing so by the same government who are saying their jobs aren't viable.

They are absolutely spot on when they talk about the dangers of the industry not being able to start back up. Its currently on course for complete collapse and that will take a very long time to recover from. Even ignoring the culture and wellbeing aspects just solely on the value of the industry to the UK economy it is absolute madness to let this happen.
There have been a handful of "you chose to be an artist, so don't whine" sorts of responses to our last post here about a lack of UK government support for the professional music industry. So let me say the following with as much clarity as I can muster, because there seem to be a couple of key misunderstandings for a few folks:

1) Nobody that I know in the professional music industry is currently whining. And I know and talk to a lot of music industry professionals. I'm also going to assume that if you were somebody who wanted to live in a society without professional music, you wouldn't be on our page to begin with.

2) Artists are not more important than anybody else doing any other job. But neither are they less important. If the government is going to support one sector which makes an overall contribution (i.e. banking) then they should support every sector which makes an overall contribution (i.e. the arts). Otherwise, it's just social engineering - picking one industry to succeed and intentionally letting or causing another to fail.

3) Most importantly, our industry is not currently suffering because we are not financially viable or because nobody wants to buy what we're selling. Quite the contrary. For example, the UK tour Hayseed Dixie had to call off back in March was mostly sold out in advance. We have made an acceptable living from this band for the past 20 years, paid our taxes, and happily worked our hillbilly asses off without complaints providing a service that we, and a lot of other people, think is important and worthwhile.

But . . . since March, and into the indefinite future, we have been prevented from being able to work by government actions. Otherwise, we would be doing a show tonight. Yes, these government actions were in response to a global pandemic, and no, we are not arguing that those actions were or are inappropriate.

But we did not choose to stop working any more than any other business person. And even more importantly, our customer base (that's you, the fans) did not decide that they no longer wanted our services.

Nobody here is lazy, nor are we obsolete. We have been legally forbidden to work, and now we are being told by the UK government to go seek other careers?

I don't hear them telling bankers or lawyers to do that. Back when the banking industry crashed in 2008-2009, a crash caused entirely by that industry's own collective greed, corruption, and dumb-ass bad business dealings, the governments of the world could not throw enough money at them to prop them up and bail them out.

So are bankers and lawyers more important to the overall culture and society than professional musicians? That's a judgment call. I'm certainly not saying they are less important, but are they more important? Do they contribute more to the total GDP? That's debatable. Does a typical banker pay more tax in a year than this band? I honestly doubt it, in part because we can't hide our income offshore in Belize or Guernsey.

Conclusion: the UK music industry alone contributes 5.2 billion UK Pounds per year to the country's total economy. It employs nearly 200,000 professional people - none of whom are lazy, all of whom have been told that they legally cannot work since March. And now these dedicated professional people are being told to just abandon the music industry and go do something else?
That's bullshit.

Are you content for the next decade or two to have no more professional music in your life? Because that's what this will mean if most of the musicians, lighting people, sound techs, riggers, drivers, security guys, and the rest all go off and re-train as something else, if all the venues go to the wall and are converted into flats. People won't be able to just step back into touring and live music once government restrictions are lifted. If our industry dies, and it is "our" industry including the fans who make it all possible, then it will take a generation or more to rebuild.
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Ian1779

Ian1779

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wingy said:
Did someone post up a number on Children off school for one region earlier?
Sure I've seen a figure of 8000 today, thought it was on here but can't seem to locate it .
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Don’t know any regional figures, but nationally attendance is between 85-88% (irrespective of whatever bullshit they pump out). On a population of 12 million school kids that’s somewhere between 1.44-1.8m kids not in school.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Ian1779 said:
Don’t know any regional figures, but nationally attendance is between 85-88% (irrespective of whatever bullshit they pump out). On a population of 12 million school kids that’s somewhere between 1.44-1.8m kids not in school.
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It’s better than 12m not at school though and those that are off will hopefully be back soon (although will probably be replaced by others being off)
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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CCFCSteve said:
It’s better than 12m not at school though and those that are off will hopefully be back soon (although will probably be replaced by others being off)
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That number will continue to rise and rise. Unless there is a vaccine about to drop there is absolutely no way the government will get the case numbers under control with schools operating as normal.
 
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CCFCSteve

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chiefdave said:
Excellent post from Hayseed Dixie of all people. Still got a lot of contacts in that industry from my time working in it and its desperately sad seeing people losing their jobs and being told they aren't viable when they are ready and willing to work but being prevented from doing so by the same government who are saying their jobs aren't viable.

They are absolutely spot on when they talk about the dangers of the industry not being able to start back up. Its currently on course for complete collapse and that will take a very long time to recover from. Even ignoring the culture and wellbeing aspects just solely on the value of the industry to the UK economy it is absolute madness to let this happen.
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Agree. You can’t prevent people from doing their job or running their business and then not support.

Larger outdoor events shouldve been allowed over the summer.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Ian1779 said:
That number will continue to rise and rise. Unless there is a vaccine about to drop there is absolutely no way the government will get the case numbers under control with schools operating as normal.
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Id hope that the kids off will almost be rotated ie not all off the same time. You and the other teachers will know better but my mates school has been operating ok
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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CCFCSteve said:
Id hope that the kids off will almost be rotated ie not all off the same time. You and the other teachers will know better but my mates school has been operating ok
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An extended half term break could help - but as NW said, leaving it another 3 weeks to implement will negate any positive impact it could have.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Brighton Sky Blue

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Sorry thought it was good news not fake crap
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The latest estimates from the CDC have an interesting breakdown of fatality rates by age group. The estimates also place flu as having a higher fatality rate than COVID for the under 50s, although both are of course very low. Those aged 70+ are put at around 2,000 times more likely to die from COVID than those under 20. Full data and modelling here:

www.cdc.gov

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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CCFCSteve said:
Follow the law DOD ?! Come on. It’s crazy.

There are huge numbers of people running round saying ‘protect the elderly’, has anyone asked them what they want ?!

The median age of Covid deaths in this country is the same as the average life expectancy (around 80ish). I’d imagine most people in their 70s and 80s would actually chose to spend what time they have left seeing their grandchildren grow up, being comforted by a loved one, living their lives and ultimately taking their chances.

If there is risk around nhs capacity then I’m 100% behind enforcing restrictions and measures, but otherwise I think it should be down to the individual if they wanted to be hugged or comforted by a loved one - I’m saying that as someone who would currently chose not to hug their mum (unless at an extremely distressing time) as she is high risk and I wouldn’t forgive myself if I passed her Covid, however, it should be an individuals choice
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Point of order: your life expectancy at 80 isn’t 80, that’s your life expectancy at birth. As you age and fail to die younger the mean extends.

Also there’s really no such thing as individual choice in a pandemic. Transmission is inevitable, every broken link in the chain slows the spread.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Point of order: your life expectancy at 80 isn’t 80, that’s your life expectancy at birth. As you age and fail to die younger the mean extends.

Also there’s really no such thing as individual choice in a pandemic. Transmission is inevitable, every broken link in the chain slows the spread.
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Continuing to allow loads of school kids to mix keeps that chain very much intact.
 
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