Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (75 Viewers)
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Sky Blue Pete
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Excellent quote
Covid-19: Is the UK carrying out more tests than anywhere else in Europe?
Last week at Prime Minister’s Questions Boris Johnson claimed that the UK was now carrying out more covid-19 tests than anywhere else in Europe. In response to a question from the Labour Party leader, Keir Starmer, the prime minister said, “Not only are we getting the pandemic under control...
You'd assume prevailance would likely inflate demand?
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep New Zealand are rubbish at testing peopleBeing as it is claimed almost daily .Covid-19: Is the UK carrying out more tests than anywhere else in Europe?
Last week at Prime Minister’s Questions Boris Johnson claimed that the UK was now carrying out more covid-19 tests than anywhere else in Europe. In response to a question from the Labour Party leader, Keir Starmer, the prime minister said, “Not only are we getting the pandemic under control...www.bmj.com
You'd assume prevailance would likely inflate demand?
chiefdave
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The news today all seems pretty gloomy. Record numbers and increasing restrictions in many places around Europe.
The Pasteur Institute is warning critical care beds in Paris will be at capacity by the end of the month just with covid patients. BBC reports patients with other critical conditions are already either being deferred treatment or moved to hospitals outside the Paris region.
In todays PMQs Johnson was asked for the evidence behind the 10pm pub closures and couldn't answer. Was also asked about local lockdowns and why 19 out of 20 areas in lockdown had seen cases rise, no answer for that either.
The only positive news seems to be that New Zealand are back to the lowest alert level nationwide following their breakout. Auckland was the last place under restrictions and now with zero new cases those have been removed.
Still, at least the billionaires are doing well out of it.
Given the way things have gone so far can see this happening in England in a couple of weeks. Same is happening in Paris and in Brussels to try and get things back under some sort of control.
The Pasteur Institute is warning critical care beds in Paris will be at capacity by the end of the month just with covid patients. BBC reports patients with other critical conditions are already either being deferred treatment or moved to hospitals outside the Paris region.
In todays PMQs Johnson was asked for the evidence behind the 10pm pub closures and couldn't answer. Was also asked about local lockdowns and why 19 out of 20 areas in lockdown had seen cases rise, no answer for that either.
The only positive news seems to be that New Zealand are back to the lowest alert level nationwide following their breakout. Auckland was the last place under restrictions and now with zero new cases those have been removed.
Still, at least the billionaires are doing well out of it.
David O'Day
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The additional Scottish measures are fucking stupid as hospitality is not a main driver of infection at the moment.
It's a government without a clue making stupid gesture politics.
It's a government without a clue making stupid gesture politics.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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If you ran the country we'd be covid free and you could introduce a 1% income tax increase to fund the Real IRA.
Sky Blue Pete
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Is it household transmissions mainly then?
David O'Day
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The last PHE figures showed that Hospitality was a single figure percentage cause of outbreaks
shmmeee
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Isn’t that because there’s no hospitality though? Kinda like theoffice argument from the landlords?
David O'Day
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This was pre curfew figure when pubs were available after 10pm
fernandopartridge
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fernandopartridge
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This is interesting if unsurprising
Brighton Sky Blue
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Gives schools advance notice to cheat
David O'Day
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Virtually all of them student areas which adds more weight to conclusion it is education and universities which are driving the explosion in cases. Yet the government will close pubs instead.
Real interesting. Surprised (and pleased) not more Birmingham entries. Selly oak is very much Birmingham uni area. Looks like a fair chunk of the spike is being driven by uni’s returning...not from general population
Brighton Sky Blue
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The crèche must stay open
Ian1779
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This is where the Scottish version of HMI/OFSTED need to get involved to formally ratify each set of school submissions.
David O'Day
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Also looking at the MSOA map the centre of Cov has risen to 17 cases in a 7 day period but Cannon Park is the definite driver for Coventry cases
fernandopartridge
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Oh yeah, of the places I know on there Manchester and Leeds, every MSOA is proper studentville
David O'Day
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Is Crumpsall studenty now? What next Cheetham Hill?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The problem is those National 5s are one year courses (OH taught in Scotland for a few years) so the data available is tiny compared to what you or I would have for Year 11s.
fernandopartridge
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Oh actually that is a bit of an odd one. That said, it is relatively close to Salford Uni but don't think it's a big student area
chiefdave
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How are they pinpointing exactly where people got it without reliable testing or tracing in place? Be interesting to know the methodology in use.
For example person A goes to work in an office, then stops at the supermarket on the way home, picks up a takeaway from a restaurant and takes it home to a house shared with his family. Later on goes to the pub and when that shuts at 10pm back to his mates house. How are PHE determining where he became infected when he tests positive?
fernandopartridge
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Yep. Middle super output area. Usually about 10k in population
Brighton Sky Blue
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You can't really, the web is too tangled unless you can identify the likely 'super spreader' the person came in contact with. This might be easier to trace if you had one dude causing a spike in cases in different places they've visited in a short space
chiefdave
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Is she a reliable source? Her twitter feed looks fairly sane.
Wonder what they mean by "Not feasible to go 'shield vulnerable'", presumably that there's too many people in that group as it looks like over half the population. Good guidance would be fantastic. Between the mixed messages from our government and the lack of trust in them its hard to believe a lot of what they come out with. Perfect example in PMQs today, Johnson was asked for the science behind the 10pm pub closing and had no answer.
One tweet of hers in particular hit home for me, "Receiving notes from those w/ risk factors (asthma, overweight, hypertension, cancer survivors, diabetes) or elderly who are saddened by their lives being portrayed as worthless (ie acceptable loss, would die anyways).".
yeah, very hard to do, hence I think they can only do it when there’s mini outbreaks (still some calculated guesswork involved though)
David O'Day
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She is usually quite good but she's actually in this case linking to a group of German scientists