Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (5 Viewers)

robbiekeane

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Trying to work out how a new company with £200 in assets is more qualified than a long established PPE supplier to be awarded a £110M contract.
Because they are importing from an accredited producer and obviously have significantly bigger volume commitments on offer than the "long established PPE supplier" (beauty gown supplier that is) who was able to offer 40k gowns per month. The awarded supplier was able to offer 25 million gowns per year.
Non story really
 

skybluetony176

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Because they are importing from an accredited producer and obviously have significantly bigger volume commitments on offer than the "long established PPE supplier" (beauty gown supplier that is) who was able to offer 40k gowns per month. The awarded supplier was able to offer 25 million gowns per year.
Non story really
The government spent £252M on 50M face masks that wasn’t fit for purpose. Since when was £252M a non story?
 

robbiekeane

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The government spent £252M on 50M face masks that wasn’t fit for purpose. Since when was £252M a non story?
Sorry are we talking about face masks or the gowns from Medpro vs Florence Roby? I think you may have misread my post, or your 110m post was about facemasks and i misunderstood
 

skybluetony176

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Yeh, you're right. Don't know much about public procurement. Know a bit about private though, but i'm just going on the information that is out there which apparently everyone else is able to jump to chunky conclusions with...
So if you give someone an order for £250M and the goods turned out to be unfit for purpose would that be a job well done?
 

Ring Of Steel

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Not from the supplier, no. Could you quote a post where I said anything even remotely similar to that please?

You're angrily sticking up for what is at best incompetence & at worst all out corruption. You haven't got a clue, but fair play for all the sidestepping & desperation to stick up for them no matter what- its mildly entertaining on a Sunday night.
 

skybluetony176

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Not from the supplier, no. Could you quote a post where I said anything even remotely similar to that please?
Would you expect a credit for the goods having established that they wasn’t fit for purpose? Would you have established penalty clauses for failure to meet the contract?
 

robbiekeane

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You're angrily sticking up for what is at best incompetence & at worst all out corruption. You haven't got a clue, but fair play for all the sidestepping & desperation to stick up for them no matter what- its mildly entertaining on a Sunday night.
What’s incompetent about the Medpro deal?
 

robbiekeane

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Would you expect a credit for the goods having established that they wasn’t fit for purpose? Would you have established penalty clauses for failure to meet the contract?
Yes and yes. And if that wasn’t done that’s incompetent.
Now I’ve answered your question will you tell me how that’s at all relevant to the case in point?
 

robbiekeane

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Why do I need to separate them. It’s the consistent behaviour of the government you’re defending. It’s cost the country hundreds of millions.
It’s not is it, it’s that specific example I spoke about and you’ve tried your best to twist that into me saying the government have acted perfectly in every single Procurement exercise they’ve ever carried out.

Classic straw man argument because you couldn’t say anything about the actual case being discussed.

I’m out
 

David O'Day

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You’re not involved mate and that’s okay sometimes, it’s not all about you

anddddd put on ignore

Basically he got made to look a c**t and has run away.

He's just as stupid when he talks about football.
 

djr8369

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There is a solid 40% in this country who back everything the Tories do. The increasingly fascist policies wash over them at best. Even somebody like G who claims to be a libertarian voted for them
Pretending to be rational libertarians was the same trick used to get people behind Trump and is as much about owning the Dems/hating labour as actually supporting Trump/Johnson.
Watching anything remotely conservative on YouTube just seems to send you down a rabbit hole of people like Ben Shapiro where you’re groomed to be some kind of proto-fascist. Gradually enough hate is built up against the other side, immigrants, young people, the “woke left” etc that anything is acceptable.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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The growing sense of anger & frustration is palpable up here.....unless they get the (wider) support package right (which they won't) then mass disobedience & civil unrest will follow......
 

CCFCSteve

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The growing sense of anger & frustration is palpable up here.....unless they get the (wider) support package right (which they won't) then mass disobedience & civil unrest will follow......

I can definitely see disobedience of measures/new measures as I’ve said before. Already seeing it. Everyone bought into first lockdown but are struggling to this time
 
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I can definitely see disobedience of measures/new measures as I’ve said before. Already seeing it. Everyone bought into first lockdown but are struggling to this time
Had a nice simple message, protect the NHS.

Now we seem to be protecting the NHS / protecting the economy / allowing for eye test trips / keeping schools and universities open etc. etc.

I've no real idea what our strategy is just atm. Maybe it'll become clearer at 3pm(!)
 

chiefdave

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Had a nice simple message, protect the NHS.

Now we seem to be protecting the NHS / protecting the economy / allowing for eye test trips / keeping schools and universities open etc. etc.

I've no real idea what our strategy is just atm. Maybe it'll become clearer at 3pm(!)
That sums it up really. Was all nice and simple at the start, stay at home, protect the NHS. And those that couldn't work got the money they need to survive via furlough. As soon as Cummings made his trip and rather than sack him they decide to start messing around with the message it all fell apart.

Now its all over the place. The rules in place don't stand up to any scrutiny, and when questioned on things like why after 10pm in a pub is an issue but not before, why you can watch the England game in a pub but nobody can go into a 90K stadium etc they have no answers.

Whatever the message is it needs to be clear, simple and easy to follow. And it has to stand up to scrutiny or people won't buy in.

Think there also has to be an exit strategy. People need to know there's an end in sight even if its months away.
 

skybluetony176

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What I don’t understand is why not do all this yesterday before the working week started. How many people have gone to work today and then before the working day finishes find out that they should be at home? Happened to me at the beginning of the first wave.

Had a daughter displaying symptoms over the weekend before lockdown, went to work Monday morning as per usual following the advice of the government and before I finished work I was being told that I should self isolate for 2 weeks. Don’t believe I or my daughter had it on that occasion but potentially I could have given it to 7 people, one of who has health complications and had to shield.

Why not do this at the weekend? Doesn’t make any common sense.
 

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