skybluetony176
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I’m talking about the government.
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robbiekeane
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Not from the supplier, no. Could you quote a post where I said anything even remotely similar to that please?
skybluetony176
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You’re writing the defence for the government. You’re the one who thinks it’s a non story.
Ring Of Steel
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You're angrily sticking up for what is at best incompetence & at worst all out corruption. You haven't got a clue, but fair play for all the sidestepping & desperation to stick up for them no matter what- its mildly entertaining on a Sunday night.
skybluetony176
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Would you expect a credit for the goods having established that they wasn’t fit for purpose? Would you have established penalty clauses for failure to meet the contract?
Ring Of Steel
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robbiekeane
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What’s incompetent about the Medpro deal?
robbiekeane
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Yes and yes. And if that wasn’t done that’s incompetent.
Now I’ve answered your question will you tell me how that’s at all relevant to the case in point?
robbiekeane
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I said the medpro deal is a non story yes. Are you unable to separate them in your head?
robbiekeane
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Don’t get it"why do you hate your country so much? Would you rather be in Italy?"
skybluetony176
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Why do I need to separate them. It’s the consistent behaviour of the government you’re defending. It’s cost the country hundreds of millions.
David O'Day
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Ignore him, he's just a thick who gets laughed at
robbiekeane
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It’s not is it, it’s that specific example I spoke about and you’ve tried your best to twist that into me saying the government have acted perfectly in every single Procurement exercise they’ve ever carried out.
Classic straw man argument because you couldn’t say anything about the actual case being discussed.
I’m out
robbiekeane
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You’re not involved mate and that’s okay sometimes, it’s not all about you
anddddd put on ignore
Ring Of Steel
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skybluetony176
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Clearly
Maybe this will help enlighten you
Non story.
shmmeee
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Good luck !Feeel like crap, booked in for a test today
There is a lot of other stuff going around.
clint van damme
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Feeel like crap, booked in for a test today
Good luck.
clint van damme
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Clearly
Maybe this will help enlighten you
As someone pointed out on Twitter today, why do the taxpayers alliance never pipe up about any of this stuff.
One could be forgiven for thinking they have a partisan political agenda.
David O'Day
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Basically he got made to look a c**t and has run away.
He's just as stupid when he talks about football.
Pretending to be rational libertarians was the same trick used to get people behind Trump and is as much about owning the Dems/hating labour as actually supporting Trump/Johnson.
Watching anything remotely conservative on YouTube just seems to send you down a rabbit hole of people like Ben Shapiro where you’re groomed to be some kind of proto-fascist. Gradually enough hate is built up against the other side, immigrants, young people, the “woke left” etc that anything is acceptable.
Philosoraptor
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Just about to start...
skybluetony176
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How very cynical of you. It clearly states on their website that they aren’t
jimmyhillsfanclub
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The growing sense of anger & frustration is palpable up here.....unless they get the (wider) support package right (which they won't) then mass disobedience & civil unrest will follow......
I can definitely see disobedience of measures/new measures as I’ve said before. Already seeing it. Everyone bought into first lockdown but are struggling to this time
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Had a nice simple message, protect the NHS.
Now we seem to be protecting the NHS / protecting the economy / allowing for eye test trips / keeping schools and universities open etc. etc.
I've no real idea what our strategy is just atm. Maybe it'll become clearer at 3pm(!)
chiefdave
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That sums it up really. Was all nice and simple at the start, stay at home, protect the NHS. And those that couldn't work got the money they need to survive via furlough. As soon as Cummings made his trip and rather than sack him they decide to start messing around with the message it all fell apart.
Now its all over the place. The rules in place don't stand up to any scrutiny, and when questioned on things like why after 10pm in a pub is an issue but not before, why you can watch the England game in a pub but nobody can go into a 90K stadium etc they have no answers.
Whatever the message is it needs to be clear, simple and easy to follow. And it has to stand up to scrutiny or people won't buy in.
Think there also has to be an exit strategy. People need to know there's an end in sight even if its months away.
skybluetony176
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What I don’t understand is why not do all this yesterday before the working week started. How many people have gone to work today and then before the working day finishes find out that they should be at home? Happened to me at the beginning of the first wave.
Had a daughter displaying symptoms over the weekend before lockdown, went to work Monday morning as per usual following the advice of the government and before I finished work I was being told that I should self isolate for 2 weeks. Don’t believe I or my daughter had it on that occasion but potentially I could have given it to 7 people, one of who has health complications and had to shield.
Why not do this at the weekend? Doesn’t make any common sense.
Had a daughter displaying symptoms over the weekend before lockdown, went to work Monday morning as per usual following the advice of the government and before I finished work I was being told that I should self isolate for 2 weeks. Don’t believe I or my daughter had it on that occasion but potentially I could have given it to 7 people, one of who has health complications and had to shield.
Why not do this at the weekend? Doesn’t make any common sense.
shmmeee
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It can only be lack of confidence in their ability to give answers. Surely the sensible thing to do is announce Sat night for the Sunday papers then do the rounds of Sunday shows explaining it?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Van Tam says those under 16 have minimal role in infection. So fucking let me do my job properly then
chiefdave
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How have they established that there isn't any existing suppliers who can meet the demand if they aren't even speaking to any of them? Do you not find it odd that existing suppliers that cover both manufacture in the UK and import are considered by the government unable to meet this demand to the point they don't even have a conversation with them while multiple newly formed companies, who just happen to have links back to the government, are handed huge contracts. Seemingly with no penalty when they fail to fulfil them or when they product delivered is of a poor standard and unusable?
It would be fair to separate them if this was an outlier. But it isn't. There's a clear pattern here which would be of concern at the best of times let alone when the result is frontline workers not having what they need to work safely during the pandemic.
This just illustrates the issue you're arguing against. Existing companies not able to get a response from the government or being tied up in red tape while those with the right connections get fast tracked.
Don't think anyone would be complaining about the lack of a tender process if there was a successful end result that stood up to scrutiny. The concerns are because contracts are being handed out seemingly not based on competence or suitability but based purely on having a connection to the government. And time and time again it later emerges that the companies in question are unable to deliver what they promised. Of course the 'time is of the essence' argument links back to another issue where the government decided to ignore the results of Operation Cygnus which flagged up exactly these issues.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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So as I said before if I set up a company and say i can provide 1m bits of equipment i assume they'd just give me the contract wouldn't they? No time to check as it's urgent. I say I can do it now give me the money.
One thing you constantly never bring up is the numerous previous examples of this exact same behaviour with very similar companies and the outcomes of them such as the Turkey PPE fiasco, track and trace etc. You use previous behaviour to predict future behaviour. And that shows that this is far more likely to be giving money to their mates rather than to established businesses with a track record.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me,
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Different thing to being able to deliver. You'd think you'd remember that give the issues we had getting the PPE at the start of the pandemic from companies very like the one given this contract.