David O'Day
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No as the sage papers show they didn't follow the scientists advice
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No as the sage papers show they didn't follow the scientists advice
David O'Day
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They didn't follow the advice you thick c**t, the sage papers have been released.
Why do you lie about everything?
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Did they? I didn't even know that!
David O'Day
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I'll leave this here
www.mirror.co.uk
Government advisor says UK locked down too late and it's 'cost a lot of lives'
SAGE member Prof John Edmunds' confession comes as Boris Johnson launches a new push to ease the lockdown in the coming weeks - despite scientists' fears and his own alert level remaining at 4
www.mirror.co.uk
Skybluefaz
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David O'Day
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This is shit
Covid reinfection: Man gets Covid twice and second hit 'more severe'
The report raises questions about how much immunity can be built up to the virus and how long it may last.
www.bbc.co.uk
Brighton Sky Blue
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The guidance was always that mask wearing was thought to prevent you transmitting it to others. If you’re thinking of Dr Fauci, he admitted that he lied about it so that people wouldn’t exhaust supplies for use in hospitals
Sky Blue Pete
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I understand not closing things down that are necessary. So you could argue for schools, universities, workplaces that are required for life to continue, parks, gyms etc etc etc.
What I fear is that nothing has changed for pretty much everyone bar Liverpool area and the infection rate has exploded and will continue to do so. Why not add a ban on household mixing indoors to the rule of 6 if you want to keep schools unis and pubs open? Starmer is right on message when he asks what’s the plan? How will we get things back to the summer. This is a hold and wait approach that even chris whitty said won’t be enough to work on its own. What did he mean?
All the measures do yesterday is to make a complete lockdown more likely and the infection consequences potentially more deadly for more people unnecessarily
What I fear is that nothing has changed for pretty much everyone bar Liverpool area and the infection rate has exploded and will continue to do so. Why not add a ban on household mixing indoors to the rule of 6 if you want to keep schools unis and pubs open? Starmer is right on message when he asks what’s the plan? How will we get things back to the summer. This is a hold and wait approach that even chris whitty said won’t be enough to work on its own. What did he mean?
All the measures do yesterday is to make a complete lockdown more likely and the infection consequences potentially more deadly for more people unnecessarily
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The thing is, they're the main places for infection. A short sharp closure to reign back is surely logical? As you say, we're heading towards total lockdown for longer at this rate, and that's not productive.
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I have no clue about football but given it seems to be as you were, you probably can. Beer is fine unless you pop to Liverpool, at which point you'll want to order a pie to go with it.
Saddlebrains
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They've fucked this right up. Can anyone see any semblance of normality anytime soon because i fucking cant.
Just want to go watch us play in the championship with my kids ffs
Just want to go watch us play in the championship with my kids ffs
stupot07
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skybluetony176
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Doesn’t he need to take a shotgun and have a couple of dead grouse thrown over ones shoulder also?
It’s quite incredible how we can’t lockdown to save lives because we need to save the economy yet a no deal brexit that will certainly damage the economy and could cost lives is worth it. I think that’s called double think.
We have learnt nothing from the first wave or the actions of other countries. In a few weeks I suspect we will have the choice of national lockdown or leaving people to die. It will need to be a long lockdown to get cases down, running into Christmas causing huge damage as spending plummets.
I agree NW, a closure of unis (and to some extent schools - I think most schools will be breaking up this/next week anyway) would probably reduce rates far quicker than the new measures, but Id also imagine as soon as they reopen they’ll be another spike. Also, with unis you’ve got the problem of the students potentially returning home. I even wonder if a more extensive lockdown had been implemented a week or two back (after uni had restarted) those same students could’ve spread it even quicker around the country by returning home (not blaming them at all by the way !).
im just hoping the case numbers continue to settle back down a bit (I think they have in Spain with limited restrictions - however I’m guessing their climate might help ie more people meeting outside than indoors)
We can only hope !
Most people called that out as political bulls shit due to a lack of PPE at the time. The scientists never said masks don’t work, they said they were of limited effectiveness. It was the conspiracy nuts and Trump who said they don’t work.
Just a few months ago Bojo was saying things would be nearly normal by Christmas. It can’t be that the saviour of Brexit is actually a fucking idiot? Can it..?
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep I think so
Sky Blue Pete
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The counter argument is it delays what is coming and doesn’t stop it happening. I don’t understand that though as if that’s the case what’s the point of doing anything if it’s going to happen anyway unless it stops the nhs falling apart of course
I honestly think that’s all it can be Pete ie manage NHS capacity, unless they know some kind of vaccine (and/or better treatments) is on its way so minimising impact until then.
Sky Blue Pete
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Which I’m happy for someone to say as I would understand that but explain it and tell me the benefits of doing it and the consequences of doing it. I’m still convinced that worldwide more people will die of poverty than the virus. In fact someone put a meme on Facebook about the starvation virus killing millions every year, the vaccine being food but because this doesn’t happen in rich countries ( although we are trying) the drive to eradicate it wanes. Don’t get me wrong Bojo is a clown and I’m almost certain leaders in his own party would have done better and I’m certain keir would have done. It’s about clear communication and decisiveness
Cant disagree with a lot of that mate. But you can see on here how the country is divided...some want stricter lockdown, otherwise want to best protect those most at risk and everyone else get on with life.
Massive balancing act but as you say it’s important that people understand what the bigger picture/plan is and that’s just not coming across at the moment, hence there’s little ‘buy in’ from either side
The public support stricter measures according to latest polling. It’s a loud, well funded minority talking about fewer restrictions and shielding the elderly only.
The other issue is you can’t have a balancing act between these two completely different strategies. Trying to do so is partly why we have handled it so poorly. You need to pick a strategy and ensure it’s consistent and coherent.
Admittedly, partly why Johnson is trying to straddle both is that so many of his MPs want to take a different approach and he has to be careful of rebellion. Of course, that is his fault because he purged the party of moderates and filled it with frothing Brexiters to help win a bigger majority so he could mould Brexit. The country is now paying the price for this short sighted behaviour. People are dying because a unserious narcissist took power any way he could and yet he still has 40% approval and most of those people support him unconditionally.
Sky Blue Pete
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I’m probably saying I have sympathy for our leaders as this is a shitstorm and I don’t think many would swap places. However ffs come on make a decision stop pansying around at the edges while Chris Whitty clearly thinks more should be done
Leicester went into stricter measures way below our current level.
I’m happy to still go to the gym but I fear for the consequences to me being selfish
shmmeee
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Because then he’d have to accept he’s a moron being played by a bunch of rich people who are laughing at him.
shmmeee
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Sky Blue Pete
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Cov's infection rate rises again as city placed in tier one
Warwickshire's has risen slightly but remains below 100
Mmmm - wonder what will push us into high risk
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Cov's infection rate rises again as city placed in tier one
Warwickshire's has risen slightly but remains below 100www.coventrytelegraph.net
Mmmm - wonder what will push us into high risk
About 2 weeks should do it I'm afraid Pete......cancel them half-term holiday plans folks.....
chiefdave
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Its needs a clear and coherent strategy that is actually 'following the science' so that when the government or experts are questioned they can back up what they are doing and justify it. Couple that of clear explanations of why we're doing things and even at this stage with the amount of confidence lost in those in charge I still think the vast majority would do as instructed.
The problem is the messaging is all over the place, the experts clearly don't agree and they can't justify many of their decisions as they'd have to admit they are prioritising the economy over peoples lives.
When you see reports like this you can take a good guess at what is really driving the decision making process.
Billionaires see fortunes rise by 27% during the pandemic
Billionaires have grown their wealth by 27% during the crisis, with industrial and tech bosses earning most.
www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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No, they didn't follow the science. They dithered for ages despite scientific advice on what to do, which led to more infections / hospitalisations / deaths and a longer lockdown than most European countries.
skybluetony176
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There’s been a rumour flying around for a while now that Rishi Sunak is to be Rishi Soon Axed. Apparently his general air of competence is making the rest of them look stupid so he has to go. Took it with a pinch of salt but they do seem to be hanging him out to dry on this one so maybe there’s something in it after all.