By shown up I mean they've basically ignored the government's advice and taken a decision themselves, that will cost them tens/hundreds of millions of pounds, because they clearly don't trust the government's recommendations and think it's safer for everyone (players, fans, whoever) to cancel/postpone.
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By shown up I mean they've basically ignored the government's advice and taken a decision themselves, that will cost them tens/hundreds of millions of pounds, because they clearly don't trust the government's recommendations and think it's safer for everyone (players, fans, whoever) to cancel/postpone.
They’ve taken the decision upon themselves as they were having to cancel games due to players not being available and clubs self isolating.
Ps do have a watch of the press conferences you get the time free as it’s useful context. As someone has just indicated this is a football forum page so will jump off now as my posts are all about coronavirus and not football.
Sky Blue Pete
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Ring Of Steel
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I’m going for the Brexit thread record.
As it turns out the experts and the government don’t really have much idea either.
No I don't know, you're correct. But pretty much everything I have read suggests that it is not the best way to deal with such a virus hence why, and I keep repeating myself here, every other country put strict measures in place. Nobody did less than us.
Are we total maverick geniuses and every other country on earth has got it wrong? Seems unlikely. Seems even less likely now they are starting to backtrack...
Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all.
Sky Blue Pete
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Really? Well I think we may find out in the longer term and I mean years rather than today or tomorrow or even this month. Is your success criteria taking obvious action or number of deaths being limited?
Astute
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I only know about France as my wife and younger kids live there. Got back Sunday night after nearly 3 weeks there.
France is about a week ahead of the UK with the virus. Everything was as usual until a couple of days ago. We got informed on Thursday that all schools were closing after Friday. So schools/colleges are now closed until further notice. This includes the areas of low density population.....most of France. So how about those who are having a go at the way we are handling the situation having a go at others instead of saying everyone else has done it in a different way?
France is next to Northern Italy. Northern Italy as everyone should know is where it is worse. But the east coast of France is where most people have become infected. But if the theorists on here were always correct it would have been bad where France borders Northern Italy.
Sky Blue Pete
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Ring Of Steel
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Listen- you don’t get to question me, you don’t get to make out I need to have all the answers, there are people whose job it is to make these decisions, and so far they’ve ignored everything elsewhere in the world, been shown up by the Premier League and sporting events, and now been forced to do an about face. That’s not my issue, it’s theirs, so cut the indignation at me and aim it where it needs to go.
Without wishing to over over all this again (so I will), the reasoning behind the approach was sound to a point (but my knowledge is such that what the fuck do I know really) and that point being that despite all these measures, it is very likely that most people will catch it at some point, possibly during a second wave that models predict will emerge next winter, and that it's inevitable, so the idea is to flatten the curve now, and build up immunity in the meantime. It's not a message that plays well though for obvious reasons and also one that assumes a vaccine won't be available in the next 9 months.
People have since tried to weaponise the herd immunity thing and suggest sinister motives. It may be wrong, but I think it does come from people trying to do the right thing. Anyway, enough ramblings from me.
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Sky Blue Pete
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No indignation. Genuine question. And if you think you no better than them explain why. No one has been shown up by the premier league taking a decision that had nothing to do with public health and everything to do with molly coddling highly paid athletes who are upset about things. I just wonder what your success criteria is?
the government is wanting to limit the number of deaths, seems pretty reasonable as an aim doesn’t it?
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Sky Blue Pete
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Ring Of Steel
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You mean the mollycoddled highly paid athletes who were tested positive and who come into close contact with lots of others on a daily basis?
That’s such a weird thing to say, you’re making no sense.
Brylowes
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If they were following advice to the letter why were the rest of the world’s
Experts giving different advice to ours.
That's clearly the aim. This is a graphic published in the Lancet. The policy was all about avoiding the blue line and the second wave.
Sky Blue Pete
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Why are national league games on?
Ring Of Steel
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The editor of the Lancet was actually one of the ones who was criticising the UKs approach, Richard Horton I think he’s called.
I’m almost at coronavirus saturation point.
Astute
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It seems that some want what is best for themselves but also want to use it to bash politicians they don't like/from a different party they vote for.
How about a for instance?
We need to finish the football season. But if a Tory doesn't want to stop people congregating it is his fault.
The problem we have with shutting down life as we know it is it will get to people's sanity. People have things to do. People need to make a living. Life needs to go on. But you need to put this against people getting infected. Life needed to carry on as usual for as long as we could let it. Have we reached the point where we need to shut everything down yet?
It is all down to opinion. And those with an agenda will have a biased opinion as usual.
Looks like Italy will be worst than China, let's hope not but Spain Germany and France are all climbing with cases now. Herd immunity is a excellent idea they should possibly start helping it infecting healthy people on porpoise
Ring Of Steel
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stop asking me stupid questions, like I said it’s not my fault the govt are pissing people around. I could try that- “tell me why you think League football should be going ahead when several players have tested positive and every country in the world has banned public gatherings & sporting events?”, but what’s the point
Ring Of Steel
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talk about sanity slipping, from what I can glean from that we’re now promoting infecting people and sticking them on dolphins.
Surley makes sense, if there just going to let it run its course.
Ring Of Steel
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I can’t deal with your posts right now
Why because I'm speaking facts? I'm assuming you didn't listen to the guys on TV yesterday saying they want 60% of the UK immuneI can’t deal with your posts right now
Yeah I'm aware of that. The article that graph appears in was quite detailed. Red is basically do nothing, the green line is social distancing measures over a long period which was the line the UK wanted to follow, and blue a model of very strict social distancing over a short period. I think the criticism was that to follow the green line, you still need to implement measures and he didn't feel we were doing enough, the counter argument and disagreement being about timing.
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steve cooper
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Porpoises won't catch it I don't think
"purpose", no idea how I spelt it but my auto correct changed it to that.
Astute
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So you are saying that we should have shut down life as we know it when we hardly had any cases of the virus in the UK because it had spread around the globe?
Should we have banned flights from any country that has had cases of the virus? Should we ban people travelling?
As has been said previously if it was so far out other political parties would have been Tory bashing by now. As we all know they bash each other for the slightest reason when they can.
But step outside your front door. Look at anything you want. Someone makes a living out of everything you can see. Should we all just sit inside where we live until it is all over? Should we stop people making a living? Or should we let people continue for as long as we can as safely as we can?
If we hide totally from it how long will we have to hide away? If it isn't just shut ourselves away what would we be allowed to do? Would we still be allowed to go shopping? If not hiw about those who couldn't afford to buy everything needed for a long quarantine?
The whole thing is unprecedented in modern times. Everyone has their own idea what should happen. Can you imagine being the person to make all the final decisions? Millions will be unhappy whatever you decide. Life v saving life. Not an easy call.
skyblueeyesrevisited
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The mortality rate is estimated at 1 percent, why the panic?
200 something cases today, number will only grow and grow.
There is no panic, worry yea for the elder people the backbone that this country was built on but other than that I will continue with my life unless I run out of shit roll.
1% of 100 million is 100k NHS would collapse. I know 100k wouldn't get infected but just a example.