fernandopartridge
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What type of test was it?
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David O'Day
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FFS
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Primary schools in England still 'rammed' with pupils, say heads
Warnings that schools may have to stay closed for longer, as more parents claim key worker status
fernandopartridge
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Residual infection rate is so high though that the rate of growth can be lower yet still show far more daily cases?
fernandopartridge
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My employer has given me a key worker letter. As we provide back office services to the NHS they class the entire org as key workers.FFS
Primary schools in England still 'rammed' with pupils, say heads
Warnings that schools may have to stay closed for longer, as more parents claim key worker status
It is pretty crass really as many of us do not do anything a reasonable person would call essential, and us all working might actually be working against the needs of our NHS customers.
derbyskyblue
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Shit !! Hope he's on the mend soon evo.
fernandopartridge
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Wyken Sky Blue
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hill83
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cowboy1850
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Even at this point people still have their head in the sand. People walking around my workplace with no facemasks, people saying their being safe when they visit their other family members, it's like they think rules don't apply to them and it's others that are causing the problem.
David O'Day
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68k new cases, is that record?
Thought there was a reference to 75 k recently.
Might have been around a miscount or adjustment though .
Ricoh has been busy today apparently.
Work for NHS, so top, but 0 health issues.
Idk
, I was told I needed to get tested before i had my vaccine, shoved it down my throat and up my nose, got my results then got my vaccine.Brighton Sky Blue
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You just said you didn't work for it?
Typo, my bad will go back and correct it.
No idea what I was trying to put but corrected it
, I got a little card that tells me the batch number for the vaccine aswell as what vaccine I got.
fernandopartridge
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81k by specimen date on 29th December
fernandopartridge
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That's a PCR test, maybe they can analyse them in the UHCW path labIdk, I was told I needed to get tested before i had my vaccine, shoved it down my throat and up my nose, got my results then got my vaccine.
, I was told I needed to get tested before i had my vaccine, shoved it down my throat and up my nose, got my results then got my vaccine.
Astute
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It isn't vague. It is very simple.
So to put it into simple terms....it is cost against amount of protection given. Anything dangerous in any way isn't allowed. Everything must be risk assessed. You wouldn't be expected to pay 100k to stop someone scratching their finger but if there is a slight risk of losing a finger it is a different matter. Then it comes down to availability of funds/finding a solution. A solution is using an SWP..safe working practice.
Astute
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There is no need for it at all. It puts pressure on us that we could do without. Anyone who is or lives with anyone who is classed as at risk have been told to stay at home and not come to work. The same for anyone who has any sort of symptoms. They have to stay away for 14 days. But we still have the capacity to produce enough for everyone and also have a safety stock.
The only danger to supply of bog rolls is being able to load the lorries quick enough. That is for us to send them out as well as those selling them to be able to get them to their shops.
Astute
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Production must have been 'ramped up' to make millions of bottles that wouldn't normally have been made.
Machines can only run up to a certain speed. A new bit of kit can't be ordered, manufactured, built, people trained and then up and running in a month or two. Our new machinery has a lead time of a couple of years minimum. Then we also have to consider the difficulties caused by the virus.
Terry Gibson's perm
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Mrs TGP is in for the vaccine on Monday which is good as her and many of her nursing colleagues have been waiting whilst seeing people sneaking in to get them.
Terry Gibson's perm
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A lot of people are just out and going about there business if they are going to lockdown they should do it properly. On my walk I walk through a trading estate that has a personal training unit on it and for the last three days I have Either seen people hanging around by the back door or leaving the area looking sweaty.
shmmeee
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That sounds pretty vague.
Astute
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So you don't understand what dangerous means?
If every time you crossed the road there was a good chance of getting hit by a car something drastic would have to change. That is dangerous. But you don't frequently get hit by a car but there is still a chance of it happening. So the choices are make drastic changes, use different methods like pedestrian crossings or accept the risk.
And this is where the cost comes into it. You wouldn't put pedestrian crossings on every road. You put them where they are needed the most. But it doesn't eliminate all risk.
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fernandopartridge
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To get down to 1k a day would be an achievement
Sick Boy
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Unless it's properly enforced, what's the point? When the 'stay at home' lockdown was done here earlier this year if you went outside without reason you'd be fined.
Sick Boy
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Probably 2023.
shmmeee
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So you don't understand what dangerous means?
If every time you crossed the road there was a good chance of getting hit by a car something drastic would have to change. That is dangerous. But you don't frequently get hit by a car but there is still a chance of it happening. So the choices are make drastic changes, use different methods like pedestrian crossings or accept the risk.
And this is where the cost comes into it. You wouldn't put pedestrian crossings on every road. You put them where they are needed the most. But it doesn't eliminate all risk.
Understanding a term and quantifying it are two different things. Dangerous is a relative subjective term. As is “drastic” “costly” “good chance”.
Sky Blue Pete
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When my daughter had spinal surgery to straighten her spine I had to listen to her fear and discuss with a consultant friend of mine how medicine deals with risk
when the risk is 1% it happens to someone else. When it gets to 10% or more it’s an important discussion to have with the patient.
So the night before she was really upset and I asked her why and she said she’s scared she’ll die during the operation. She was 11.
I used crossing London road to school as a risk discussion.
so there’s a risk of being knocked over so you look, you press the button for the crossing, you cross at the right place, you learn to look at how fast a car is going etc etc and so you reduce the risk to pretty much zero and the benefit of getting to school
for her op I was able to say the risk of death or complications from the anastethjc was tiny and people train for years and check the instruments throughout
that the surgeon had done it numerous times before and was really good at what she did and although it was an option to not have the op it would lead to life limiting pain and physical issues for life.
It was really useful to have the conversation
With Covid the risk for many of us is as close to nothing as possible. The risk is to someone else and that’s hard to quantify and even more to act and miss out on life as we know it to reduce others risk
when the risk is 1% it happens to someone else. When it gets to 10% or more it’s an important discussion to have with the patient.
So the night before she was really upset and I asked her why and she said she’s scared she’ll die during the operation. She was 11.
I used crossing London road to school as a risk discussion.
so there’s a risk of being knocked over so you look, you press the button for the crossing, you cross at the right place, you learn to look at how fast a car is going etc etc and so you reduce the risk to pretty much zero and the benefit of getting to school
for her op I was able to say the risk of death or complications from the anastethjc was tiny and people train for years and check the instruments throughout
that the surgeon had done it numerous times before and was really good at what she did and although it was an option to not have the op it would lead to life limiting pain and physical issues for life.
It was really useful to have the conversation
With Covid the risk for many of us is as close to nothing as possible. The risk is to someone else and that’s hard to quantify and even more to act and miss out on life as we know it to reduce others risk
LastGarrison
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Surely it will be never?
COVID-19, once we get control of it, will sit alongside the flu etc. as something that we will have living with us going forward.
Vaccines will not get rid of COVID it will just stop the vast majority (even more so) of people dying from it.
Astute
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Would you expect a small company to pay 100k to take away a risk? Would you expect a worldwide company that makes billions a year to spend 100k to take away the same risk?
First of all it depends on levels of danger. If you can put a fix in place for reasonable cost then it should be done. But as I have tried to explain to you a company wouldn't be expected to pay 100k to stop a scratch. The more serious the possible injury the more that should be done/spent.
And you also have to consider stupid. As part of my health and safety training they brought up a case of a man who lost the end of a finger. During the investigation he was required to show what had happened. There was a hole in the guard to a machine. "I put my finger in like AAAARRRRGGGH'. He had put another finger in to show them and lost the end of that one as well
