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clint van damme said:
James Cleverly talking utter bullshit on the BBC this morning, the brass neck of these wankers.
They actually think that because they've done well on the vaccine we should forget about all their other fuck ups and the death toll - vermin.
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They all seem to forget this isn’t a one shot vaccine
 
Sick Boy

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Still no data on the Pfizer one that 12 weeks is OK, I think (may be since I last checked, tend to get all my hideous news from this thread atm!!), so I guess you could argue, what's a week or two between friends?

Think there is data the Oxford one is OK at 12 but, as we see with other countries, I'll be happier once there's fairly uniform agreement that's the way to go.
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Is any other country actually doing it? Italy’s very much concentrating on doing both the jabs rather than rolling out single doses - seems to be fine so far and one the leading countries in Europe for full inoculation.
 
Sky Blue Pete

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clint van damme said:
James Cleverly talking utter bullshit on the BBC this morning, the brass neck of these wankers.
They actually think that because they've done well on the vaccine we should forget about all their other fuck ups and the death toll - vermin.
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Watching the 54 days programmes it made me think that why don’t Bbc and other organisations just look at the news reel and press conferences . There’s pure gold in them for anyone wishing to hold leaders responsible for promises and aims and getting things wrong
 
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clint van damme

clint van damme

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Watching the 54 days programmes it made me think that why don’t Bbc and other organisations just look at the news reel and press conferences . There’s pure gold in them
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there's absolutely no doubt this line about 'we've been criticised for acting too quickly' has been briefed to ministers to repeat as often as possible to create a narrative which is the exact opposite of what's actually happened.
 
hill83

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More data coming through. Good news:


Extra trial data shows Oxford/AstraZeneca jab effective in elderly, MHRA says
British regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.
Reuters reports:
Britain has been rolling out the shot among all age groups after the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) was the first regulator to approve it in December, but some other European countries have said more data is needed before it is given to those over 65.
“Since [initial approval] we’ve seen more data coming through from AstraZeneca as more people are completing the trial, which highlights again that efficacy in the elderly is seen, and there’s no evidence of lack of efficacy,” Munir Pirmohamed, chair of the Commission on Human Medicines Covid-19 Vaccines Benefit Risk Expert Working Group said at a MHRA news briefing.
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www.theguardian.com

UK Covid: 'too early' to decide to ease measures in March, says Hancock; Oxford jab 'protects against UK variant' – as it happened

Health secretary says NHS still under pressure; Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine as effective against UK variant as original virus, research suggests
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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hill83 said:
More data coming through. Good news:


Extra trial data shows Oxford/AstraZeneca jab effective in elderly, MHRA says
British regulators have received extra trial data from AstraZeneca that supports their view that the Covid-19 vaccine developed with Oxford University is effective in the elderly, a vaccines official said on Friday.
Reuters reports:



www.theguardian.com

UK Covid: 'too early' to decide to ease measures in March, says Hancock; Oxford jab 'protects against UK variant' – as it happened

Health secretary says NHS still under pressure; Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine as effective against UK variant as original virus, research suggests
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Certainly is!
 
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Saw a story earlier where Ursula Von der leyen was a bit more conciliatory, implicitly admitted that the EC had fucked up underestimating the scale and under investing in manufacturing capacity. Politically the Germans, French and others have backed themselves into a bit of a corner at the cost of their citizens.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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fernandopartridge said:
Saw a story earlier where Ursula Von der leyen was a bit more conciliatory, implicitly admitted that the EC had fucked up underestimating the scale and under investing in manufacturing capacity. Politically the Germans, French and others have backed themselves into a bit of a corner at the cost of their citizens.
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Is that because the Germans had turned on her?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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clint van damme said:
James Cleverly talking utter bullshit on the BBC this morning, the brass neck of these wankers.
They actually think that because they've done well on the vaccine we should forget about all their other fuck ups and the death toll - vermin.
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I can already see it happening. Fuck up after fuck up leaving tens of thousands of people dead and hundred thousands more affected unnecessarily, millions affected due to economic incompetence but it'll just be "the vaccinations went well" because that's the last thing that happened.
 
clint van damme

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Sky Blue Pete

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Watching the 54 days programmes it made me think that why don’t Bbc and other organisations just look at the news reel and press conferences . There’s pure gold in them
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clint van damme said:
The vaccination program is going well. If they can.pull it forward 2 or 3 months then that's amazing but why announce it now and give people false hope if it can't be done?

Ridiculous way to carry on.
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Part of me wants them to mess up and then I stop and think it’s people lives - get a grip pete
 
clint van damme

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Sky Blue Pete said:
Part of me wants them to mess up and then I stop and think it’s people lives - get a grip pete
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There's no doubt a successful vaccination roll out will make a lot of people forget all the screw up a but it's a small price to pay for getting back to normality
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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clint van damme said:
There's no doubt a successful vaccination roll out will make a lot of people forget all the screw up a but it's a small price to pay for getting back to normality
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Until they get reelected and the next clusterfuck they make. No-one should be allowed to forget the monumental number of fuck-ups they've made just because they look to have got one thing right near the end.

Imagine in 10 years time, they've got reelected because people have forgotten and another similar crisis occurred. Do you expect them to not make the same mistakes as they have this time? They might do a few things more quickly but on the whole I'd expect it be 'protect the economy' first (even though they won't say it it's what their actions will amount to) and protect the rich while everyone else suffers like it always is. Plus by that time they may well have sold the NHS up the river so their rich buddies can profit and we'll be totally in the shit.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Until they get reelected and the next clusterfuck they make. No-one should be allowed to forget the monumental number of fuck-ups they've made just because they look to have got one thing right near the end.

Imagine in 10 years time, they've got reelected because people have forgotten and another similar crisis occurred. Do you expect them to not make the same mistakes as they have this time? They might do a few things more quickly but on the whole I'd expect it be 'protect the economy' first (even though they won't say it it's what their actions will amount to) and protect the rich while everyone else suffers like it always is. Plus by that time they may well have sold the NHS up the river so their rich buddies can profit and we'll be totally in the shit.
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I'm actually surprised you need to ask me that.
If the cabinet were in my front room I wouldn't trust them with the remote for the telly.
 
Ian1779

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Can someone with some science/medicine know how give me an idea why they don’t appear to be offering the vaccine to CEV or Vulnerable children under 16?
Thanks
 
Grendel

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Ian1779 said:
Can someone with some science/medicine know how give me an idea why they don’t appear to be offering the vaccine to CEV or Vulnerable children under 16?
Thanks
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I assume because they were not part of the clinical trials?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Ian1779 said:
Can someone with some science/medicine know how give me an idea why they don’t appear to be offering the vaccine to CEV or Vulnerable children under 16?
Thanks
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it depends on the level of vulnerability.
What Grendel said is correct but it appears if they are classed as extremely vulnerable they're getting it anyway but if they're classed as vulnerable they're not.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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Thanks both of you - We emailed the hospital but haven’t had any response from them, so i want to follow up but trying to anticipate what they might say.
 
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