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Well you say panic... cases rise, hospitalisations don't, would be a very reassuring thing to happen!
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jimmyhillsfanclub
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True.....it just seems a rather pointless & costly excercise to constanlty test to find asymptomatic cases in children who are at no risk from it, and whose siblings, parents, classmates & all their other contacts can crack on regardless anyway......
.....I already know of a few parents who are getting their kids to swerve all testing unless they've actually got symptoms to avoid anymore unecessary disruption to their eductation....
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I suppose I see what you're saying, and there's no doubt the government advice is contradictory all-round. I can think of one practical personal reason where it would be handy however, that Mrs Wisdom's mum has taken on child minding duties again, but is clinically extremely vulnerable with a seriously depressed immune system. Some kind of notice so her granddaughter can be withdrawn from her care would be handy...
I suspect however, paying for childminding for such cases would be cheaper than testing everybody! But... the way to know we're on top of this is to show that it can circulate... much as flu.
(Where, incidentally, is the Covid-sip? That's surely the way to total freedom? Got a spot of Covid? Get your antiviral at Boots or through the post!)
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Sky_Blue_Daz
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So chances of another lockdown increasing
I’m currently self isolating And working from home as my daughter has tested positive on a lateral flow and took a pcr yesterday and currently waiting on results.
I’m going for a pcr later as I’ve developed a cough tickly throat and a blocked nose
I’m currently self isolating And working from home as my daughter has tested positive on a lateral flow and took a pcr yesterday and currently waiting on results.
I’m going for a pcr later as I’ve developed a cough tickly throat and a blocked nose
Sky Blue Pete
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Hope it’s nothing daz
Ccfcisparks
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October lockdown, thoughts?
Sky_Blue_Daz
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Personally I think a lockdown between December and January would be better
Nick
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It can fuck off.
If the majority have the jabs or antibodies then why is it needed?
Sky_Blue_Daz
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Cheers mate , not sure if it’s just a cold to be fair, aching muscles and ribs too
Daughters lost her sense of taste and the wife’s lost her sense of humour
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But it'll depend entirely on how things pan out with cases, hospitalisations, deaths...
There might not even be anything, or that might be one from November until March- it's currently not possible to say.
What's best, surely, is to hold tight and watch what happens, for better or worse.
Sky Blue Pete
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And to plan
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Surely its time to be hitting the most elderly & vulnerable with a 3rd jab? My wifes grandmas in her 90s and had her 2nd vaccine way back in the day, when vaccines were still shiny, new & coveted things.....
...seems a bit mental to now plough headlong into winter with the 20 somethings brimming full of fresh strong newly injected antibodies while all the most vulnerable have waning protection.....
Common sense would be to give them all a booster alongside the flu jab.....assuming the flu jab arrives that is...
...seems a bit mental to now plough headlong into winter with the 20 somethings brimming full of fresh strong newly injected antibodies while all the most vulnerable have waning protection.....
Common sense would be to give them all a booster alongside the flu jab.....assuming the flu jab arrives that is...
If hospitals get overwhelmed regardless because too many people won’t get vaccinated then I can see the case for it - obviously wouldn’t be happy about it.
Given that most of us have done our part in getting the vaccine, then it’s going to start a pretty serious debate about whether we should all have our freedoms curtailed for the sake of other people’s freedom not to get jabbed.
chiefdave
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That was the original plan. I made my parents flu jab appointments as soon as they were accepting bookings for that reason. Now it seems they won't be doing the 'one in each arm' which, assuming eventually they will say boosters are needed, just seems to be creating more work as people will need two appointments, one for flu, one for covid.
Given we can view data from other countries, for both waning protection and the impact of boosters, I don't understand the delay. Are we going to wait until cases & hospitalisations start going up rapidly and then be in a rush to get the boosters to those who need them?
Of course this all relies on the supply chain working which seems to be a bit of an issue at the moment.
chiefdave
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The problem is we're starting from a point where the NHS was already underfunded and having a crisis every winter. When was there last a winter without reports of hospitals turning patients away because they were full and ambulances queuing outside A&E? That gives you very little room to work with. A slight uptick in covid hospitalisations could create a major issue.
That's before you even consider the backlog. I finally had tests last week that have been postponed multiple times in the last 18 months. Next week, fingers crossed, I get to see the consultant and hopefully find out what treatment I need. Last thing I need now is to find out what I need and then the NHS be overwhelmed and not be able to access the required services.
Is there an element here of you can't have it all ways? People don't want to wear masks, they don't want social distancing, they don't want access to hospitality & events restricted, they don't want lockdowns. You can't just standby and watch as the NHS gets overwhelmed.
In any case assume this is all precautionary and hopefully won't be needed. Better to have a plan in place then wait until we're at crisis point and start discussing what to do.
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Indeed.
What government could do first if they're worried, is introduce their vaccine passports post-haste, and mandate mask wearing on trains and in supermarkets again, along with some kind of guidance about how office working for the sake of office working is all a bit pointless.
That would be a small step to head off a nuclear option, if they thought that was a real possibility...
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Well that's just absurd bollocks. They'll bring them in if medical advice recommends it, and government filters said advice as in their interest, and also the national interest.
Nick
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It's not absurd, now people are used to them and things are more in place to bring them in they will be less hesitant to do it.
The medical advice recommends getting double jabbed, what's the point if we end up back at square one in lockdown anyway?
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When is a plan not a plan? Covid: No plans for October lockdown, says government
Evo1883
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2 weeks isn't it? Don't mind that
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Why do you think it came out now? It softens people up, even if the government quickly reacted and tried to rubbish it. Someone leaked it, and I'm pretty sure it will happen.
It's never going to end. The vaccine war is the latest thing to use as a stick to divide people with. Looking at Israel, it's quite interesting to see how that is unfolding. Double jabbed people are not really considered fully vaccinated anymore.
TomRad85
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COV
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What is the "vaccine war?"
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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COV
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Just to be clear, if ever I did need help, you would be the last person I would be approaching for it.
No time for the mass conspiracy theory bullshit.
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There was a purported one with the EU over vaccine supply.
Also an ongoing one over several years (MMR was the main 'battleground'), where public health officials have to battle with dangerous disinformation about vaccines, to show that they are indeed worthwhile, while nutters release information to the contrary under the auspices of a research akin to a David Icke style.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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That post is just empty nonsense really.
Again, calling something a conspiracy theory because you can't argue against it coherently is just nonsense.
Why could we be facing another lockdown? I guess you will just accept it lying down anyway. The vaccine needs boosters, as we are seeing in Israel. The most advanced country on the rollout so far. That is fact, and we should use developments in other nations ahead of us and learn from it.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It's difficult to put MMR in with Covid really. Apples and oranges in a way. One has been around for a while, the other is being used to plug a gap with a relatively unknown virus.
COV
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Its curious how the conspiracy theorists claim to be 'free thinkers', but then parrot any old nonsense they see on their twitter feeds as gospel- because it feeds into the "they're trying to control us" narrative they're so desperate to believe, usually to plug some kind of gap in their own lives.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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COV
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"if struggling for a response simply play for time by accusing the other person of being drunk"
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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lockdowns will only be brought in if hospitalisations rise to the point where there’s strain on nhs. They only do one thing, delay the spread, rather than stop it, so really just buy us time. Hoping the vaccines and boosters (if brought in) and natural immunity will mean hospitalisations remain under control, unless a new variant pops up, but as NW says, who knows ?!