Grendel
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Delusional.
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Grendel
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You fail to agree with me yet profess support to the club.
You clearly are not like James, cloughie and jack who are council trolls aimed at destabilising the club but have been taken in by their propaganda.
Never mind. One day you will see the truth.
I support the club more than you ever have you idiot.
Yes you are right the truth will out, Fisher/SISU cannot keep contradicting themselves and changing their story forever, you might want to check out some of the questions posed in OSB's latest post.
Grendel
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Why? The reality is all sides are to blame. I don't need to read anyone's posts to understand that. Until the club and the management company are a unified force we will always struggle to survive and compete.
Sorry - don't need other people's views remember 12 months ago it was the thorn debate. I stood alone at first on that and was right in the end - I always am.
dongonzalos
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Unfortunately on that one we will never know.
Unless 270 mins (after you have finally been allowed to sign players) of football including two draws against a side who got promoted and another who got into the play offs. Is enough to judge a manager.
Then I don my hat to you.
dongonzalos
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Yes you are right the two entities do need merging unfortunately you backed a route to achieve that, that was always going to fail.
How do you see this finishing up then.as your always right.
although I want sisu gone I think an investigation into the council and acl's Actions should also be looked into there's alot to hide from both sides.
Paxman II
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They don't need merging. ACL should not exist. the council should stop trying to operate a football club at arms length and dish out a long, long lease to the football club.
dongonzalos
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Yep but SISU's way of getting there was never going to work. Encouraging them was ridiculous not that they were listening to anyone who encouraged or was against their actions anyway.
But to say you are always right when you agreed with their stance to not sign the deal on the table. Shows G man is certainly not always right.
Unless he likes travelling long distances
Once again the brave heroes have their little snipes (do they not realise that when they make ridiculous accusations, and kiddt wickle insults they only shom THEMSELVES up! NOT ONE of these trolls (for that is PRECISLY what they are) can consider themselves brave, are even rational!
Isn't strange that the ONLY defence they ever come up with is personal attacks! NOT ONCE have they said well the clique does this,or the clique does that! WHY? well the answer is simon (sorry simple) there IS no defence! EVERYTHING I have said about them has happened and IS true!
Are they trying to claim that less than 30 people attending TWO protests is a success? Even by their OWN admission they couldn't even get every member of their OWN board their to support their OWN protest! Now you can argue it is wrong place or whatever, but surely the founding members, and the entire board should be expected to attend one of their OWN protests? How sad is it that they cannot even get that, yet alone less than 1% of their claimed membership! It's not as if they were outside an empty office building in London on a weekend of a MASS international rally on te same day (Oh I forgot that was their NEXT brainchild)
I said they threaten and are abusive, YAN/Jan categorically denied ANY member of the trust would do this, and if they did, then they was ZERO TOLERANCE. But just look of the evidence of the past 2-3 weeks! Is calling someone a mental patient being respectful? Is a board member demanding deletion of an account being open and transparent?
As for the questions, do you not understand that the whole point is to get a cross section of views? As such, calling for one individual to ask all the questions by the very nature of the forum means that that person (I presume will be guaranteed one question - no problem with that) but will be allowed ONLY one question. Don't have a problem (how can I) that you get to say a question (you claim to represent 2000+ therefore it would be churlish to not expect one question), but the host is very unlikely to allow just questions from the trust!
Average attendance is around 10k (more if sisu not there), so at MOST you can claim to speak for 1/5. Now typically there wont be time for that many questions (no doubt TF will spread them out to reduce the amount of questions he has to answer.)
As such if nothing else, by trying to say that only 1 person from the SBT gets to ask all the questions, then if nothing else you are doing your own members a dis-service! It is NOT the SBT show, it is ALL the fans!
But the trolls just don't get it. I have PROVEN to those that have no allegiance to your group just how disgraceful a selection of your followers can be. And for those who pretend to be non-members, so they don't have to face expulsion from the SBT, if they are so rabid supporters, then WHY aren't they members? Do they honestly think these people AREN'T members?
If you are SO supportive then WHY not join? They just cannot answer that, because once again there is NO answer!
As for meeting face to face - WHY is that so important? Surely if you have something to say then WHY can't it be public? Why face to face ? As then it is he said she said. If you respond online then it is out in the open! If it's f2f you can always deny it! Surely if they are as open, honest and transparent as they claim to be, then this shouldn't be a problem should it? Only someone who has got something to hide wouldn't be prepared to say it on a forum!
"The Sky Blue Trust is an independent, democratic, not for profit, supporters’ group which operates transparently and with membership open to all Sky Blues supporters." How is secret meetings transparent? How is debating online NOT open?
At the end of the day I am standing up for what I believe in. I feel that by such inaction over such a long time there has been massive opportunities missed. All those times on the radio, why weren't protests arranged then? Why is it that "coincidentally" within a week of me exposing your ineptitude to the worls do you start doing something?
Whether it be true or not, the PERCEPTION is that you are being reactive to criticism rather than being pro-active. Now when you consider:
"obtain an ownership stake in CCFC, giving supporters a direct say in the running of the Club and having at least one democratically elected Trust member on the CCFC Board – like at Swansea"
Thing is are you expecting to PAY for that position, or do you expect to be just given it? Swansea is a PERFECT example of my criticism. The swansea fans raised around £100k for their position on the board, Pompey arranged a deal for the ground and the land for theirs,
Please explain precisely what YOU would be bringing to the table? Swansea fans paid a substantial % of the cost of the club and are totally vindicated in having a place on the board - Ditto Pompey.
The SBT from what figures were last revealed had PLEDGED (not actually had available) £17k! Even if that figure has doubled or even trebled since then, if the £70million is the figure, then as a rule of thumb I believe average admin debt is repaid at between 10-20% (OSB/Squirrel can tell you if those figures are wide of the mark - certainly when leeds first went into admin, Mr Bates tried and failed to pay off the debt at 2% that was hit into the long grass by the league).
So the debt is 70Million and if you want to be like swansea fans, they paid 10% of the clubs debt of "just" £1m - so raised £100k. As I said right from the beginning (and was shot down at the time by those trust trolls) To equal swansea you would need to raise £7m - £14M! Now IF you can raise that kind of money - fine you DESERVE a place on the board. WITH £17K PLEDGED, AND 2000+ members, that is a relatively paltry just under £8/member raised! Now surely you cannot argue based on those figures, it hardly justifies a seat on the board does it!
Now if you have raised significantly more, and you had achieved protests of 1000+ attendance, and you had got sisu on the ropes, or indeed if you had managed to get sisu to incorporate even ONE change you called for, THEN there might be a case.
Instead, all your online supporters have done is unsuccessfully tried to silence ANY VALID CRITICISM. That in itself isn't a problem, but if you cannot get members to follow YOUR rules (not mine) and you do NOTHING about it, then there is NO QUESTION you have let down YOURSELVES and ALL of your members!
I'm sure the Jodie marshes of the football fan fraternity will once more include this full quote and then add some rambling insult, but each and every one just shows they haven't read a single word and have ARBITRARILY attacked. It's like they have whinge tourettes!
The fact their lexicons are so limited they cannot put an argument in defence based solely on salient points just shows their mentality. Sure these guys MIGHT not be members, but surely that makes it worse doesn't it? I mean even after defending you to the hilt, and spreading trollisms they STILL cannot bear to give your group £1. Why is that?
Roll on the hate from the REAL cowards!
Isn't strange that the ONLY defence they ever come up with is personal attacks! NOT ONCE have they said well the clique does this,or the clique does that! WHY? well the answer is simon (sorry simple) there IS no defence! EVERYTHING I have said about them has happened and IS true!
Are they trying to claim that less than 30 people attending TWO protests is a success? Even by their OWN admission they couldn't even get every member of their OWN board their to support their OWN protest! Now you can argue it is wrong place or whatever, but surely the founding members, and the entire board should be expected to attend one of their OWN protests? How sad is it that they cannot even get that, yet alone less than 1% of their claimed membership! It's not as if they were outside an empty office building in London on a weekend of a MASS international rally on te same day (Oh I forgot that was their NEXT brainchild)
I said they threaten and are abusive, YAN/Jan categorically denied ANY member of the trust would do this, and if they did, then they was ZERO TOLERANCE. But just look of the evidence of the past 2-3 weeks! Is calling someone a mental patient being respectful? Is a board member demanding deletion of an account being open and transparent?
As for the questions, do you not understand that the whole point is to get a cross section of views? As such, calling for one individual to ask all the questions by the very nature of the forum means that that person (I presume will be guaranteed one question - no problem with that) but will be allowed ONLY one question. Don't have a problem (how can I) that you get to say a question (you claim to represent 2000+ therefore it would be churlish to not expect one question), but the host is very unlikely to allow just questions from the trust!
Average attendance is around 10k (more if sisu not there), so at MOST you can claim to speak for 1/5. Now typically there wont be time for that many questions (no doubt TF will spread them out to reduce the amount of questions he has to answer.)
As such if nothing else, by trying to say that only 1 person from the SBT gets to ask all the questions, then if nothing else you are doing your own members a dis-service! It is NOT the SBT show, it is ALL the fans!
But the trolls just don't get it. I have PROVEN to those that have no allegiance to your group just how disgraceful a selection of your followers can be. And for those who pretend to be non-members, so they don't have to face expulsion from the SBT, if they are so rabid supporters, then WHY aren't they members? Do they honestly think these people AREN'T members?
If you are SO supportive then WHY not join? They just cannot answer that, because once again there is NO answer!
As for meeting face to face - WHY is that so important? Surely if you have something to say then WHY can't it be public? Why face to face ? As then it is he said she said. If you respond online then it is out in the open! If it's f2f you can always deny it! Surely if they are as open, honest and transparent as they claim to be, then this shouldn't be a problem should it? Only someone who has got something to hide wouldn't be prepared to say it on a forum!
"The Sky Blue Trust is an independent, democratic, not for profit, supporters’ group which operates transparently and with membership open to all Sky Blues supporters." How is secret meetings transparent? How is debating online NOT open?
At the end of the day I am standing up for what I believe in. I feel that by such inaction over such a long time there has been massive opportunities missed. All those times on the radio, why weren't protests arranged then? Why is it that "coincidentally" within a week of me exposing your ineptitude to the worls do you start doing something?
Whether it be true or not, the PERCEPTION is that you are being reactive to criticism rather than being pro-active. Now when you consider:
"obtain an ownership stake in CCFC, giving supporters a direct say in the running of the Club and having at least one democratically elected Trust member on the CCFC Board – like at Swansea"
Thing is are you expecting to PAY for that position, or do you expect to be just given it? Swansea is a PERFECT example of my criticism. The swansea fans raised around £100k for their position on the board, Pompey arranged a deal for the ground and the land for theirs,
Please explain precisely what YOU would be bringing to the table? Swansea fans paid a substantial % of the cost of the club and are totally vindicated in having a place on the board - Ditto Pompey.
The SBT from what figures were last revealed had PLEDGED (not actually had available) £17k! Even if that figure has doubled or even trebled since then, if the £70million is the figure, then as a rule of thumb I believe average admin debt is repaid at between 10-20% (OSB/Squirrel can tell you if those figures are wide of the mark - certainly when leeds first went into admin, Mr Bates tried and failed to pay off the debt at 2% that was hit into the long grass by the league).
So the debt is 70Million and if you want to be like swansea fans, they paid 10% of the clubs debt of "just" £1m - so raised £100k. As I said right from the beginning (and was shot down at the time by those trust trolls) To equal swansea you would need to raise £7m - £14M! Now IF you can raise that kind of money - fine you DESERVE a place on the board. WITH £17K PLEDGED, AND 2000+ members, that is a relatively paltry just under £8/member raised! Now surely you cannot argue based on those figures, it hardly justifies a seat on the board does it!
Now if you have raised significantly more, and you had achieved protests of 1000+ attendance, and you had got sisu on the ropes, or indeed if you had managed to get sisu to incorporate even ONE change you called for, THEN there might be a case.
Instead, all your online supporters have done is unsuccessfully tried to silence ANY VALID CRITICISM. That in itself isn't a problem, but if you cannot get members to follow YOUR rules (not mine) and you do NOTHING about it, then there is NO QUESTION you have let down YOURSELVES and ALL of your members!
I'm sure the Jodie marshes of the football fan fraternity will once more include this full quote and then add some rambling insult, but each and every one just shows they haven't read a single word and have ARBITRARILY attacked. It's like they have whinge tourettes!
The fact their lexicons are so limited they cannot put an argument in defence based solely on salient points just shows their mentality. Sure these guys MIGHT not be members, but surely that makes it worse doesn't it? I mean even after defending you to the hilt, and spreading trollisms they STILL cannot bear to give your group £1. Why is that?
Roll on the hate from the REAL cowards!
James Smith
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Were you referring to me in that post? I do not work for the council and never have done for any council or indeed any government organisation. I don't work for ACL, the Higgs Charity, CCFC Ltd or Holdings, or any other business connected to this unholy mess. Calling me a Troll and accusing me of trying to destabilise our club is a borderline defamatory statement, however as I don't post on here using my real name so you can call me what you like. Just be careful about others they might not be so forgiving.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me, funny I don't remember it being that graphic when I was younger
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Flying Fokker
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Not many trolls who would admit to buying their sister/ brother in law City tops for their wedding !
Grendel. Seem to be mellowing.
Grendel. Seem to be mellowing.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Pathetically poor answer Grenduffy. Of late, your true colours have really come out.
I've got an idea. Why don't you go onto OSB58's thread and pick up the questions there, rather than selectively name call on this one?
The answer being he'd totally and comprehensively wipe the floor with you.
That thread gives a flavour of the totality of SISU's behaviour. I'll keep an eye out for you over there, eh?
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Otis
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If they have the right to beneficial ownership of the golden share then why not just not bother bidding for CCFC Ltd. and claim rightful ownership afterwards.
Seems to me that CCFC Ltd is anything but worthless and Mr. Fisher is wrong.
I was about to type the same thing, he would get ripped to shreds in OSB's thread from last night.
Trying to say I didn't "support the club" because my view is different to his.
Accusing other people of being trolls, he's the biggest one on here.....
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SkyBlueTossPot
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SkyBluePM I have failed to agree with you often on the Cov Telegraph forum but I have to side with you when it comes to the SBT.
They have shown no passion whatsoever and have their own agenda.
I hope you will be at tonights forum along with Jan (SBT) so that we can see which of you has a proper question to ask Timmy The Fish.
They have shown no passion whatsoever and have their own agenda.
I hope you will be at tonights forum along with Jan (SBT) so that we can see which of you has a proper question to ask Timmy The Fish.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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I read them all makes my day mind you it takes me ages find it difficult to read through the tears
Grendel
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Indeed it is.
singers_pore
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No. It sends a message that gross incompetence, mismanagement, and willful deception have catastrophic implications for revenue.
Frankly, I wouldn't want a new owner who is going to be as dumb and deceitful as SISU. So who cares if it is a prospective owner like that who is dissuaded.
Otis
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cloughie
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James Smith
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I totally agree, why would we want more of the same.