Dean Austin position untenable (58 Viewers)

[zuni]

i struggle with the rudoni bit tbh, is he that much of a down grade on O'Hare? assists and goals wise is he better (genuinely think he is) ok he doesn't run around in to key areas like callum BUT in a better performing team i think rudoni is the better player

 

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[shmmeee]

You've missed the point, but ok.

I don’t think I have.

 

[fernandopartridge]

His best return was 12 goasl FP, worse than Simms or BTA. He signed for Ipswich one year earlier for £1m. And he left on a free.

He'd scored 16 (and got 13 assists somehow) for Ipswich the season before Lampard signed him, £5m is not far off the going rate for a striker getting those returns. His league goal return was better than Simms' is likely to have by the end of this season.

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Also there’s a whole recruitment team its not on one person, there’s a team scouting players, then someone who tests/checks their mentality and personality to see if they’d fit in and settle, then negotiators who talk money, there’s also someone who accepts the player (was MR now it’ll be FL) so responsibility lies multiple places, DA has the responsibility of scouting and negotiating, therefore you can’t deny he’s picked out some good players however his negotiating skills may be poor because some of the fees we’ve paid are silly, but then again clubs knew we had a chunk of change to spend so I guess thats how it is you pay a bit more premium

 

[Pezza]

Badlan is now at Aberdeen, but I wasn’t impressed with his recruitment really.

Recruitment is always a gamble to some degree, some players will turn out to be excellent, while others won’t. The key is to bring in more successes than failures. Unfortunately, that balance wasn’t achieved.

Austin’s credentials also raise questions. Considering his CV and prior roles, what qualifies him to be the head of recruitment for a Championship club with an unprecedented budget for this level?

Hindsight, of course, but if 2-3 of the current squad were performing better and we were in the top six, Austin would be hailed as a genius. But that’s not the case. Since March, I’ve seen nothing from this squad to suggest we are a top team. The bigger issue, however, isn’t just the players we’ve signed but the ones we haven’t. We haven’t adequately replaced those who left, leaving the squad unbalanced and lacking depth.

If I were Lampard, I’d be upfront with Doug: the squad isn’t good enough. Right now, we’re a mid-table side, plain and simple.

There’s no identity, no style, and no leadership in this team. While it’s the manager’s job to instill these qualities, it’s a monumental challenge if the funds have already been spent. Without additional resources, any manager will face a tough uphill battle.

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

i struggle with the rudoni bit tbh, is he that much of a down grade on O'Hare? assists and goals wise is he better (genuinely think he is) ok he doesn't run around in to key areas like callum BUT in a better performing team i think rudoni is the better player

On present viewing, O'Hare is loads better than Rudoni

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

Apparently Lampard is wary of his track record, knowing he needs this to work for his own career let alone the clubs future and is trying to be more involved in recruitment than Robin's was to prevent it

Very good point there, I also agree that this is Lampard's last roll of the dice in management (certainly in England anyway) so needs to ensure whatever players are brought in suit his standards and style of play

 

[David O'Day]

i struggle with the rudoni bit tbh, is he that much of a down grade on O'Hare? assists and goals wise is he better (genuinely think he is) ok he doesn't run around in to key areas like callum BUT in a better performing team i think rudoni is the better player

this

 

[shmmeee]

He'd scored 16 (and got 13 assists somehow) for Ipswich the season before Lampard signed him, £5m is not far off the going rate for a striker getting those returns. His league goal return was better than Simms' is likely to have by the end of this season.

He’d had one good season at Ipswich in his career. His record at Derby in 3 seasons was 9, 12, and 5.

It was a throw away comment and he likely relied on a recruitment team there. But people really are saying silly stuff to make sure no one even jokingly criticises him. No Derby fan thinks Waghorn was vfm

 

[marrrkjay_ccfc]

For me, the problem with our recruitment over the last few windows is, they all seem to be squad players and not first choice. That's the most disappointing thing for me, the money we've spent on squad players, and they've been no better than the cheaper/free squad players that they replaced.

Kelly and Shipley were limited players but they gave it their all. Torp just doesn't look interested after a few poor passes. McFadzean made many errors but was a leader and got the best out of the players around him and you could tell he cared. Thomas doesn't have the same presence and leadership capabilities at the back.

Also the team spirit is another point. The season we won League 1 and the next 3 seasons in the Championship, everyone at the club was speaking of how good the team spirit was. Last season, you could tell the team spirit wasn't as strong and this season its been non-existent.

How much responsibility lies with Austin remains to be seen but its clear that the above areas have got worse since he came to the club.

 

[fernandopartridge]

He’d had one good season at Ipswich in his career. His record at Derby in 3 seasons was 9, 12, and 5.

It was a throw away comment and he likely relied on a recruitment team there. But people really are saying silly stuff to make sure no one even jokingly criticises him. No Derby fan thinks Waghorn was vfm

He was / is well thought of there

 

[shmmeee]

He was / is well thought of there

Everyone here seems to think they massively overpaid: How good have Frank Lampard’s signings been

 

[Skybluedownunder]

Apparently Lampard is wary of his track record, knowing he needs this to work for his own career let alone the clubs future and is trying to be more involved in recruitment than Robin's was to prevent it

Dougs standing by Austin publicly as he's ut he's neck on the line and his ego won't allow him to lose face. However privately, he's seething at the amount pissed up the wall, but it would be yet again more compensation to let him go, so rock and hard place

Bite the bullet and bin him off.

Compo is cheaper than failed signings


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[ptr]

Just quickly on recruitment, people on here need to stop trying to pin the blame on just one person. Whether that’s Austin, King or management. It’s not FIFA, it’s not as simple as just bringing someone in and they are either good or bad. So many other factors at play…moving home, families, kids settling at school, game time, international games, playing in the right position etc. So many things you just cannot predict. I tell you now, I can’t remember anyone being annoyed at any of these signings when they happened. I don’t think any of the ‘recruitment team’ thought ‘you know what, Kitching will flop but fuck it let’s sign him for 4 million anyway’.

Hundred percent mistakes have been made and we have definitely overpaid but the problem with recruitment is a collective. Let’s just hope the strategy has changed now and we start to recruit players who will lead, organise, communicate and motivate.

God I miss the days of Fadz, Hyam, Kelly, Godden, Dabo, Hamer, Gyok etc. No hiding on the pitch back then. Deffo need to start recruiting on personality traits as well because we simply do not have enough of it. Talent is just not enough.

 

[shmmeee]

Just quickly on recruitment, people on here need to stop trying to pin the blame on just one person. Whether that’s Austin, King or management. It’s not FIFA, it’s not as simple as just bringing someone in and they are either good or bad. So many other factors at play…moving home, families, kids settling at school, game time, international games, playing in the right position etc. So many things you just cannot predict. I tell you now, I can’t remember anyone being annoyed at any of these signings when they happened. I don’t think any of the ‘recruitment team’ thought ‘you know what, Kitching will flop but fuck it let’s sign him for 4 million anyway’.

Hundred percent mistakes have been made and we have definitely overpaid but the problem with recruitment is a collective. Let’s just hope the strategy has changed now and we start to recruit players who will lead, organise, communicate and motivate.

God I miss the days of Fadz, Hyam, Kelly, Godden, Dabo, Hamer, Gyok etc. No hiding on the pitch back then. Deffo need to start recruiting on personality traits as well because we simply do not have enough of it. Talent is just not enough.

It’s because the switch from Badlan was so stark. Everything else (other than the owner) stayed the same and we went from signing hidden gems and rock solid personalities to throwing money at L1 clubs and hoping for the best.

 

[Cally Fedora]

I would very much like to hear the case for Liam Kitching for £4m+

Easy to row in behind popular opinion. The case is that for good periods of last season he was our best defender and played in the best defensive partnership we had alongside Thomas. He is the only defender we have with a semblance of aggression. For some reason we’ve had the likes of non defender Binks and petrified of the ball Lati playing when Kitching is better than both. He hasn’t been given an opportunity so we at least need to see more game time before he’s written off as not worth 4m. If we want to keep it nice and convivial and only play people who the rest of the squad like having a latte with we’ll never be able to asses him.

 

[shmmeee]

Easy to row in behind popular opinion. The case is that for good periods of last season he was our best defender and played in the best defensive partnership we had alongside Thomas. He is the only defender we have with a semblance of aggression. For some reason we’ve had the likes of non defender Binks and petrified of the ball Lati playing when Kitching is better than both. He hasn’t been given an opportunity so we at least need to see more game time before he’s written off as not worth 4m. If we want to keep it nice and convivial and only play people who the rest of the squad like having a latte with we’ll never be able to asses him.

I think you can’t say “for some reason” when three manager have done the same thing clearly he’s not the player you think he is at that point.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Three managers being Robins who signed him, Carr for a few games and Lampard for 6-7. It’s hardly conclusive. Robins lost his job largely because in a team without Kitching we conceded shocking amounts of piss poor goals. We’ve hardly been non sieve like under Lampards short tenure. Maybe giving him a chance is not a bad option.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

So about £1m worth of spend over 6 years when he made £45m? Oh no

@Earlsdon_Skyblue1 hard to throw the bad without factoring in the good. You missed out Hamer and Gyokeres who’s performances got us to the Play Offs of the Championship for the first time ever and their fees have generated such money that we’re furious not to be challenging for the PO each year and our owner successfully pushed PL Packages.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

@Earlsdon_Skyblue1 the recruitment strategy of ISIS has been more credible than Dean Austin’s.

 

[shmmeee]

@Earlsdon_Skyblue1 hard to throw the bad without factoring in the good. You missed out Hamer and Gyokeres who’s performances got us to the Play Offs of the Championship for the first time ever and their fees have generated such money that we’re furious not to be challenging for the PO each year and our owner successfully pushed PL Packages.

We’ve done this to death. Any Badlan signing over a nominal fee bar Walker was a massive success. Bringing up some £50k gambles in L1 to try and prove something is just weird. Badlan oversaw the best period of recruitment in the clubs history. Everything else is irrelevant b

 

[Sick Boy]

Everyone here seems to think they massively overpaid: How good have Frank Lampard’s signings been

So the manager is the only one responsible for signings when it suits an agenda.

Right.

 

[Ashdown]

Yes, I agree with those who talk about personality and confidence as well as a players ball skills.
Our keepers look shaky, our defenders are not good enough to play this stupid short game, our midfielders are all risk averse and our strikers are either injured or struggling with confidence except Norm who’s just a kid.
In short, MVE, Saka, Sheaf and Simms have all gone backwards from being decent players , our patterns of play are so predictable and our insistence on throwing hopeful balls into the box for defenders to head out and clear is repetitive and tedious.
We need to work on corner and free kick routines and vary things up a bit. We need a midfielder who can carry the ball.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

The issue with saying Austin must go is that King is sitting up there telling everyone that him and Austin have done a fantastic job in recruitment.

 

[djr8369]

Isn’t it all a bit moot when half of them were recommendation from Adi or players Robins wanted?

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Isn’t the Norwich ex director of football avaliable? Would be a good one to target based on the signings they made?

 

[TomRad85]

Isn’t it all a bit moot when half of them were recommendation from Adi or players Robins wanted?

We don't talk about that even though everyone knows which players were brought in by either Robins or Adi. I've got no issue letting him work with Lampard and seeing what we do. If we have someone better lined up i'm all for it though, maybe Lampard has his own contacts that would be an upgrade?

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

You will see if DA is any good in this window, IF we get a ball playing creative midfielder through the door we may be able to get to the end of the season with the defence we have and then go from there. No pressure.

 

[shmmeee]

Isn’t it all a bit moot when half of them were recommendation from Adi or players Robins wanted?

Is that cos there was fuck all coming from the recruitment department though?

 

[clint van damme]

Isn’t it all a bit moot when half of them were recommendation from Adi or players Robins wanted?

Meaning half weren't.
Robins and Viveash are gone, if it was all on them then we'll be fine. But if its not, and going by the interviews done with the great and the good of the club in the last year its not, then part of the issue remains.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Ironically one player we were supposedly interested in and subsequently rubbished has 10 goals this season

 

[shmmeee]

We don't talk about that even though everyone knows which players we're brought in by either Robins or Adi. I've got no issue letting him work with Lampard and seeing what we do. If we have someone better lined up i'm all for it though, maybe Lampard has his own contacts that would be an upgrade?

We don’t have infinite money to spunk. Fuck this next rebuild up and that’s us probably.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

We’ve done this to death. Any Badlan signing over a nominal fee bar Walker was a massive success. Bringing up some £50k gambles in L1 to try and prove something is just weird. Badlan oversaw the best period of recruitment in the clubs history. Everything else is irrelevant b

Surely by that metric, signing Simms and Wright who have generally been a success, means Austin should also be let off for singing a load of shit too.

Badlan brought in a few very good players definitely, but he still hasn't proved he would be capable of spending the same amount of money as Austin in a better capacity. He's now working at Aberdeen after being sacked from Blackpool. Not really a glowing rep, and not to mention the leaking of team sheets.

There's some rose tinted glasses here.

 

[shmmeee]

Surely by that metric, signing Simms and Wright who have generally been a success, means Austin should also be let off for singing a load of shit too.

Badlan brought in a few very good players definitely, but he still hasn't proved he would be capable of spending the same amount of money as Austin in a better capacity. He's now working at Aberdeen after being sacked from Blackpool. Not really a glowing rep, and not to mention the leaking of team sheets.

There's some rose tinted glasses here.

Simms can’t get in the side ahead of Bassette until recently. And Wright is out all time record signing. I’d fucking hope he’s championship quality.

Sorry man I know you love your fringe takes but the idea our recruitment 2017-22 wasn’t excellent is a mental take too far.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

Surely by that metric, signing Simms and Wright who have generally been a success, means Austin should also be let off for singing a load of shit too.

Badlan brought in a few very good players definitely, but he still hasn't proved he would be capable of spending the same amount of money as Austin in a better capacity. He's now working at Aberdeen after being sacked from Blackpool. Not really a glowing rep, and not to mention the leaking of team sheets.

There's some rose tinted glasses here.

Aberdeen and Blackpool, poor compared to Dean Austin’s Farnborough Town?

Badlan uncovered some absolute gems, Austin’s uncovered some expensive donkeys.

You’ve said Simms is a donkey yourself.