HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Derby didn’t cheat last year though… they cheated a few years back.
Derby didn’t cheat last year though… they cheated a few years back.They may have been good enough if Derby hadn't cheated
I couldn’t see the Jake Bidwell deal happening either.I was told by a work colleague this morning that we are in for Lawrence, but I can't see it either.
Always should support other clubs anyway - it's not the fans' fault, and who wants to start the house of cards falling anyway? One day, it might be us (again!) needing that support...We had loads of sympathy for being owned by a narcissist hedge fund controller and the EFL really turned a blind eye to our wanders around the country - we were funding wages in Northampton on 2,000 attendances but had a much higher wage bill than generated revenue
Honestly the reaction is embarrassing
They were hardly a model club last year, they signed Kamil Jozwiak for £4m even though they were in a complete mess.Derby didn’t cheat last year though… they cheated a few years back.
I don’t agree I’m not itching to see Derby go bust but make your bed you lie on it.Always should support other clubs anyway - it's not the fans' fault, and who wants to start the house of cards falling anyway? One day, it might be us (again!) needing that support...
...like us then?I don’t agree I’m not itching to see Derby go bust but make your bed you lie on it.
Agreed, it was the likes of the people who put us on the sacrificial altar that made Us different. No tŵo clubs are the same anyway. The fanfare that followed our buy out way a false dawn. I would never want any club to go out of business…Maybe 10 of the Prem cartel? Serby fans are no different ro us and are victims of a broken league structure.We were never really on the brink in the same way. And yes, we did get a lot of support from other clubs and their fans.
Agreed, it was the likes of the people who put us on the sacrificial altar that made Us different. No tŵo clubs are the same anyway. The fanfare that followed our buy out way a false dawn. I would never want any club to go out of business…Maybe 10 of the Prem cartel? Serby fans are no different ro us and are victims of a broken league structure.
I‘m still bitter as well. The fans always lose out. I can’t seenDerby being liquidated. The club may re-form and do a Rangers by dropping to League 2 but they have such a big fan base that deserve to watch their team. I dare say they are going through what we went through. The EFL is clueless. Why shouldn’t EFL be sued by the likes of Wycombe and Middlesbrough? I guess the league could fold if that were the case. Derby may be guilty but the EFL needs to take responsibility for the decisions they make As well. Northampton/Birmingham as a home base is one example. The likes of Stoke, Reading, Bristol City and a fair few others need to be bought to book. Relegate any club that falls short of FFP regardless of the amount they are overspending.We had loads of sympathy for being owned by a narcissist hedge fund controller and the EFL really turned a blind eye to our wanders around the country - we were funding wages in Northampton on 2,000 attendances but had a much higher wage bill than generated revenue
Honestly the reaction is embarrassing
TBH I‘m just looking for solutions to the continued cycle of admin/potential liquidation. It’s us fans that suffer. We demand a lot as well. Mabye the game does need to restructure? Derby is having to swim in it’s own shit. Fair enough but keep the club alive somehow…For the fans.Not sure you can blame the league structure or call them victims?
A thought on this one: possibly a loan with us covering a portion of the wages rather than all? Still unrealistic in my mind but that would make more sense as a bit of a ‘2nd half of the season gamble’.
Were the Derby fans suffering when Mel Morris overspent and got to the play-off final? Or Pompey fans suffering when they overspent to win the FA Cup?TBH I‘m just looking for solutions to the continued cycle of admin/potential liquidation. It’s us fans that suffer. We demand a lot as well. Mabye the game does need to restructure? Derby is having to swim in it’s own shit. Fair enough but keep the club alive somehow…For the fans.
TBH I‘m just looking for solutions to the continued cycle of admin/potential liquidation. It’s us fans that suffer. We demand a lot as well. Mabye the game does need to restructure? Derby is having to swim in it’s own shit. Fair enough but keep the club alive somehow…For the fans.
The likes of Stoke, Reading, Bristol City and a fair few others need to be bought to book. Relegate any club that falls short of FFP regardless of the amount they are overspending.
ffp is seriously flawed anyway. Watch this statement blow up in my face now(!) but the Coates family have been quite happy to fund Stoke - it's been his passion for years, he was chairman before but didn't have the means until online betting took off to do it properly. Why shouldn't he pump money into the club he loves?The whole structure is flawed when there's so much money at the top table & a pathetically small trickle down to everyone else, clubs feel they have no choice but to gamble to get there.
Since the concept of FFP was brought in only 2 clubs have ever been promoted to the Premier League without failing FFP to do so.
Derby's results would have to be declared null and void and every seasons table be recalculatedIt's nonsense. What about every team they beat during that season? Could each of those claim too? Should every team below them be entitled to another step up in prize money? What about the team who finished third bottom in any season they're alleged to have cheated?
Some owners of clubs get round the financial fair play rules by converting the money they inject into the club by converting it to shares.ffp is seriously flawed anyway. Watch this statement blow up in my face now(!) but the Coates family have been quite happy to fund Stoke - it's been his passion for years, he was chairman before but didn't have the means until online betting took off to do it properly. Why shouldn't he pump money into the club he loves?
Now there's certainly an argument to be had about the way that's done, but until we revert back to clubs from plcs (never going to happen) then we have to live with the accounting procedures. Introducing a way to try and maintain the status quo for the richest clubs at that time of writing is not the way to go, however.
ffp is seriously flawed anyway. Watch this statement blow up in my face now(!) but the Coates family have been quite happy to fund Stoke - it's been his passion for years, he was chairman before but didn't have the means until online betting took off to do it properly. Why shouldn't he pump money into the club he loves?
Now there's certainly an argument to be had about the way that's done, but until we revert back to clubs from plcs (never going to happen) then we have to live with the accounting procedures. Introducing a way to try and maintain the status quo for the richest clubs at that time of writing is not the way to go, however.
Yes I recall saying often at the time that money from the likes of Wilsden etc was being squandered on the venture when she'd stated publicly her wealthy backers would be covering the losses, this after the clubs own survey told them only ten percent would travel and Fisher saying there would be 7k.We had loads of sympathy for being owned by a narcissist hedge fund controller and the EFL really turned a blind eye to our wanders around the country - we were funding wages in Northampton on 2,000 attendances but had a much higher wage bill than generated revenue
Honestly the reaction is embarrassing
I don't actually have a problem with that but there should be some regulations that enforce owners to be personally responsible for the full wages of any players bought in during their tenure if the club goes under during their ownership.ffp is seriously flawed anyway. Watch this statement blow up in my face now(!) but the Coates family have been quite happy to fund Stoke - it's been his passion for years, he was chairman before but didn't have the means until online betting took off to do it properly. Why shouldn't he pump money into the club he loves?
Now there's certainly an argument to be had about the way that's done, but until we revert back to clubs from plcs (never going to happen) then we have to live with the accounting procedures. Introducing a way to try and maintain the status quo for the richest clubs at that time of writing is not the way to go, however.
ffp is seriously flawed anyway. Watch this statement blow up in my face now(!) but the Coates family have been quite happy to fund Stoke - it's been his passion for years, he was chairman before but didn't have the means until online betting took off to do it properly. Why shouldn't he pump money into the club he loves?
Now there's certainly an argument to be had about the way that's done, but until we revert back to clubs from plcs (never going to happen) then we have to live with the accounting procedures. Introducing a way to try and maintain the status quo for the richest clubs at that time of writing is not the way to go, however.
I do agree with this. FFP only really benefits the big clubs who generate more money. It's a balance though, if rich benefactors pull funding it can leave clubs in all sorts of trouble.
Can’t see that ever happening the biggest change that needs to happen is a wage cap but I can’t see that happening either. Something like covid might bring some sort of sanity wage wise but that will only be below the premier.I’ve wanted a spending cap for a long time, as a mitigation for piss taking clubs.
Best thing that could happen is a squad cap at all age groups above a certain age. Stops clubs becoming loan farms and allows talent to come down the pyramid.I’ve wanted a spending cap for a long time, as a mitigation for piss taking clubs.
Problem with a cap is that clubs that genuinely make more money won't be able to invest that into their squad without some mechanic that links expenses to income, hence FFP...I’ve wanted a spending cap for a long time, as a mitigation for piss taking clubs.
Derby didn’t cheat last year though… they cheated a few years back.
The Germans are the ones we should follow - Fans/ Members of German top clubs basically own 51% of the shares so have the control of the club - where does this all end - who is the next Derby? possibly BirminghamI do agree with this. FFP only really benefits the big clubs who generate more money. It's a balance though, if rich benefactors pull funding it can leave clubs in all sorts of trouble.
Problem with that method is all it has done has maintained the status Quo, Bayern Munich and occasionally Dortmund are going to win that league.The Germans are the ones we should follow - Fans/ Members of German top clubs basically own 51% of the shares so have the control of the club - where does this all end - who is the next Derby? possibly Birmingham
Problem with a cap is that clubs that genuinely make more money won't be able to invest that into their squad without some mechanic that links expenses to income, hence FFP...
Derby new owners will have a 49 million claim from Middleborough and one from Wycombe to contend with potentially- that’s a fair risk
If Derby are liquidated then this could well be brought in. It’s been going on for years and a blind eye’s been turned by everyone but them going might make the EFL and clubs take note,The thing I’ve never got my head around is why L1 and L2 are on SCMP (where you can only spend a portion of turnover on wages) and yet in the Champ you’re permitted to lose £15m a year or something daft. Why not continue with the ‘% of turnover’ wage cap?
Cant see how Middlesbrough claims can be in the 10s of millions. I would have thought the maximum they could claim is the lost revenue from 2 play off games and potentially the final.
Complete leeches. And wycombe too.
They are still miles away from reaching the premier league. Lots of if and buts in their claim. Realistically they can only claim lost revenue for 2 play off games.
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