matesx
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Cov fan living in Glesga? whereaboots uhr yae?
I think it's just a matter of perception.
When the football side is doing well, fans are happy and optimistic, so the SISU issues fade into the background a little..
When the football side is not doing well, fans are not happy and SISU is the easiest target.
To clear the debt, you must have left over revenue after operating costs.The important thing seems to be to clear some of the debts and sort the structure out behind the scenes. Unless dropping down has saved money and enabled that process what’s the benefit?
To clear the debt, you must have left over revenue after operating costs.
Players on Championship wages with low crowds is probably less profitable than players on League 1/2 wages with 3/4000 less spectators.
Exactly, now we've got no Sideways Sammy Clingan, Kevin Kilbane dare I say it Carl Baker on silly wages.I’m not sure but I suppose as most clubs spend beyond their means maybe it is more profitable to be lower down the leagues. We did seem to have some older players on high wages when in the Championship.
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But my OP isn't just about that. They do appear to have butted out, Fisher is in the background. We can operate as we like (to a degree) the players & fans are as close a bunch as i have ever experienced! Apart from being able too drink with the players in Park Lane in 87 of course lol That could be down to the local lads coming through so strongly, but the doyle kelly thing as well. It's great at the moment.I think it's just a matter of perception.
When the football side is doing well, fans are happy and optimistic, so the SISU issues fade into the background a little..
When the football side is not doing well, fans are not happy and SISU is the easiest target.
I’m not sure but I suppose as most clubs spend beyond their means maybe it is more profitable to be lower down the leagues. We did seem to have some older players on high wages when in the Championship.
I think people are confusing the feel good factor of the team doing well (without major investment) and a change in business objective for SISU. I just do not see it myself
The football business has been left to stand on its own two feet, and that is what it has done. Effectively SISU have become passive owners and a bank of last resort. That said it is still SISU that control the purse strings. If the team is doing well, even funding itself, what is the incentive to invest more, to change direction. Their objectives have always been to get the best for their investors and that's not necessarily the same as best for CCFC, the major return is not in the financing of CCFC through the divisions - it costs to do that particularly through the Championship, and most teams are disappointed most seasons and deeper in debt
L2 with our turnover we were in a good position to achieve. L1 with momentum it is possible to do well on a modest budget (eg Burton). Championship that's when wages will really increase just to compete and that largely means bigger debts.
Have they got more to invest in the first place? It suits them for the light to be on the team, MR & Boddy, and clearly some of that has reflected on SISU for some people. Other than SISU & Fisher staying largely in the background what have they done that has actually changed?
I am just going to enjoy a little bit of CCFC success and my own opinion is that has had little to do with anything SISU have actively done. Saying "you live within budget" is easy for them it is no great change of direction. It is normal prudent business practice
As someone else said, when the team do well the pressure and spotlight are off SISU - doesn't mean they have changed anything
I think people are confusing the feel good factor of the team doing well (without major investment) and a change in business objective for SISU. I just do not see it myself
The football business has been left to stand on its own two feet, and that is what it has done. Effectively SISU have become passive owners and a bank of last resort. That said it is still SISU that control the purse strings. If the team is doing well, even funding itself, what is the incentive to invest more, to change direction. Their objectives have always been to get the best for their investors and that's not necessarily the same as best for CCFC, the major return is not in the financing of CCFC through the divisions - it costs to do that particularly through the Championship, and most teams are disappointed most seasons and deeper in debt
L2 with our turnover we were in a good position to achieve. L1 with momentum it is possible to do well on a modest budget (eg Burton). Championship that's when wages will really increase just to compete and that largely means bigger debts.
Have they got more to invest in the first place? It suits them for the light to be on the team, MR & Boddy, and clearly some of that has reflected on SISU for some people. Other than SISU & Fisher staying largely in the background what have they done that has actually changed?
I am just going to enjoy a little bit of CCFC success and my own opinion is that has had little to do with anything SISU have actively done. Saying "you live within budget" is easy for them it is no great change of direction. It is normal prudent business practice
As someone else said, when the team do well the pressure and spotlight are off SISU - doesn't mean they have changed anything
Which is why I don't support them, they are in football club ownership for the wrong reasons.Their objectives have always been to get the best for their investors and that's not necessarily the same as best for CCFC
Nae far fae BawheidCov fan living in Glesga? whereaboots uhr yae?
Isn’t it the reason 95% of owners are in football club ownership for thoughWhich is why I don't support them, they are in football club ownership for the wrong reasons.
If the budget set doesn’t allow the footballing side of things to function then they are.No. The same idiots who think SISU were to blame for Mowbrays incompetence are the same ones who must think they are to thank for Robin’s competence.
They are irrelevant to the footballing performances after the budget had been set.
Which is why I don't support them, they are in football club ownership for the wrong reasons.
And there is no evidence whatsoever that we’ve ever had a bottom 3 budget under SISU. I doubt we’ve ever had below a top 10 budget in league one and twoIf the budget set doesn’t allow the footballing side of things to function then they are.
I think people are confusing the feel good factor of the team doing well (without major investment) and a change in business objective for SISU. I just do not see it myself
The football business has been left to stand on its own two feet, and that is what it has done. Effectively SISU have become passive owners and a bank of last resort. That said it is still SISU that control the purse strings. If the team is doing well, even funding itself, what is the incentive to invest more, to change direction. Their objectives have always been to get the best for their investors and that's not necessarily the same as best for CCFC, the major return is not in the financing of CCFC through the divisions - it costs to do that particularly through the Championship, and most teams are disappointed most seasons and deeper in debt
L2 with our turnover we were in a good position to achieve. L1 with momentum it is possible to do well on a modest budget (eg Burton). Championship that's when wages will really increase just to compete and that largely means bigger debts.
Have they got more to invest in the first place? It suits them for the light to be on the team, MR & Boddy, and clearly some of that has reflected on SISU for some people. Other than SISU & Fisher staying largely in the background what have they done that has actually changed?
I am just going to enjoy a little bit of CCFC success and my own opinion is that has had little to do with anything SISU have actively done. Saying "you live within budget" is easy for them it is no great change of direction. It is normal prudent business practice
As someone else said, when the team do well the pressure and spotlight are off SISU - doesn't mean they have changed anything[/QUOTE
Damn right
There is no evidence he had a top ten budget either. Mowbray was hardly splashing the cash in his final season. His parting message was that for this club to be successful the owners would one day have to back the manager. Now Mowbray could have been lying. However he always came across as honest and straight talking so that seems unlikely. To get in Turnbull he had to first sell Vincealot. He made very few permenant signings and they were on short term contracts. Even when Slade came in he had to exchange Sordell for Beavon. You can say the money wasn’t used wisely and perhaps that’s true. However there does not seem to have been a lot of it in the first place.And there is no evidence whatsoever that we’ve ever had a bottom 3 budget under SISU. I doubt we’ve ever had below a top 10 budget in league one and two
And how do you rate that decision out of ten?To get in Turnbull he had to first sell Vincealot
You mean apart from Mowbray saying he had one?There is no evidence he had a top ten budget either.
To get in Turnbull he had to first sell Vincealot.
He signed that combative midfielder lol
He wanted to go Bradford the year after
Martin was shit. Least turnbull played in a team that won silverware #facthowever it fell he let Martin go and signed Turnbull huge error and nothing to do with budget,
Is your Mowbray alarm the same model as Italias wasps one?
Martin was shit. Least turnbull played in a team that won silverware #fact
Fine i have already won this argument in 2 posts. Record time. I will leave you to it
Martin was shit. Least turnbull played in a team that won silverware #fact
I think we will never get to the bottom of the exits that year, we lost two key loan signings and two of our best midfielders in a matter of weeks. The squad after that wasn't no where near good enough to survive and we got what we deserved. SISU or TM, time will tell I guess.you've won nothing. You've jumped to the defence of your hero in record time and hi-lighted your strange obsession with an ex manager once again.
I'm objective about Mowbray, he did some good things, made some mistakes. But you have a strange obsession with him is a bit weird.
I think the fact we are signing players rather than a team of loanees has shown a difference in commitment and team unity. There is a lot to be cheerful about being a sky blue fan going into this seasonThe clear change in recent times is the types of contract that we are signing players on. No more 1 year deals which suggests Sisu are at least being less short-termist about things as I guess they have to commit to fund the budget in Y2/Y3 of the player contract in the event of a catastrophy.
....and got relegated
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