Nope.Perhaps you're misunderstanding what I meant by not voting
Not putting an X in the box on the ballot paper doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't attend a polling station or post a ballot, does it?Nope.
Yawn.Not putting an X in the box on the ballot paper doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't attend a polling station or post a ballot, does it?
I think your romanticism for the extent to which voting affects change is nice but surely must collide with reality at some point. It has been completely exploited.
So you’re gonna put a tick in the box next to Starmer’s approved candidates? Seeing as he’s abandoned the guise of a broad church unless you are a right wing xenophobe.Yawn.
"Look at me, I'm a cool nihilist"
Boring, and negative.
Moan moan moan.
Cool, I'll go and vote for one of the candidates now you've convinced meYawn.
"Look at me, I'm a cool nihilist"
Boring, and negative.
Moan moan moan.
My faith in the elderly has been restored
So you’re gonna put a tick in the box next to Starmer’s approved candidates? Seeing as he’s abandoned the guise of a broad church unless you are a right wing xenophobe.
I hope I'm that politically involved in my dotage.My faith in the elderly has been restored
Do you believe the politicians elected, are the ones that are actually in power?I hope I'm that politically involved in my dotage.
Unlike some on here who can't even be bothered to exercise their franchise, because voting is bad apparently.
Yes I do.Do you believe the politicians elected, are the ones that are actually in power?
So firstly on power, you don't find companies with GDPs larger than most countries directly investing in, on one side mainstream political campaigns and lobbying, and the other side funding political activist groups weird? This doesn't raise any eyebrows to you? Every major Western leader across five eyes coming out with the slogan "build back better" during covid didn't look suspicious to you? The political parties in this world can't get complete alignment on party level matters yet every major party comes out completely aligned and spouting the same slogan, and that is just normal?Yes I do.
From Churchill, through Atlee, Wilson, Heath, Thatcher, Blair and the awful last 14 years, the elected governments, for better or worse are the people setting the agenda.
You may not agree with the decisions they make, but they are ultimately responsible for the success or failure of the policies they implemented.
To believe otherwise is proper tin hat territory.
I’m quite certain he’d continue with the Rwanda policy but simply argue he could be either more efficient or effective implementing it.In a speech today he's on about the small boats and conflating them with the 100k asylum backlog. Rattling on about hotel accommodation.
Blame the tool's!Kind of surprised that Just Stop Oil would assign the one job that required a modicum of physical strength to a couple of elderly guys….they didn’t even manage to break the glass!
I’m quite certain he’d continue with the Rwanda policy but simply argue he could be either more efficient or effective implementing it.
Kind of surprised that Just Stop Oil would assign the one job that required a modicum of physical strength to a couple of elderly guys….they didn’t even manage to break the glass!
Depends what you mean by in power. Are they the ones that have the power to change laws and implement policy then yes. The real question is who’s driving the agenda and shaping the narrative. We know Truss’ budget that crashed the economy for instance was the idea of several Tufton St think tanks but most notably the IEA. Truss was cheerleaded into power by a right wing press to implement a Tufton St budget that heavily favoured an elite minority, no doubt who fund “think” tanks like the IEA. The biggest problem in politics is that there’s too many useful idiots easily convinced by secretively funded think tanks and cheerleaded by a right wing press into positions of power and responsibility.Do you believe the politicians elected, are the ones that are actually in power?
Thanks for tracking back @jimmyhillsfanclub
I was en route to NYC for a lash for Paddy's day on the 14th March so didn't catch up on the chat for a bit.
I'm very much in favour of compulsory voting, if that includes "None of the above" or going nuclear and spoiling your ballot paper, then that's fine, at least you are honouring the men and women who fought for your right to spoil the ballot.
You're right, I do passionately believe in the franchise that our forebears fought for.
It breaks my heart that some of the intelligent, erudite posters on here choose to turn their back on the only method we, the proletariat, have of effecting change.
Let's be honest, revolution is not going to happen. Voting is our only voice.
Yet some choose not to participate. Baffles me.
Kind of surprised that Just Stop Oil would assign the one job that required a modicum of physical strength to a couple of elderly guys….they didn’t even manage to break the glass!
Oh of course they didn’t, none of these protests ever do, and they’re pretty effective at getting publicity. I just think if you’re not strong enough to actually break the protective glass, just do the tomato soup thing again!I think it's entirely possible that they didn't actually want to damage the Magna Carta, but just draw attention to their cause. I guess they've done that.
I'm not sure that attacking cultural or artistic touchstones brings any great deal of support for any cause, mind.
Oh of course they didn’t, none of these protests ever do, and they’re pretty effective at getting publicity. I just think if you’re not strong enough to actually break the protective glass, just do the tomato soup thing again!
I admire your politeness @duffer.And politely, I disagree.
It's not for the state to demand my participation in an election.
My choosing not to vote, should I choose that path, hurts no one. Why should anyone be compelled to vote by law?
It isn’t coming and why should it? I am not voting and I see that as a statement, there is not a No Suitable Candidate so why should I go and spoil my ballot paper - or, as I have done before - vote for the most stupid non entity I can find on there.I admire your politeness @duffer.
But deep down I know you know you're wrong.
The franchise was hard fought for. It MUST be protected.
Compulsory voting is coming.
"We must protect democracy via authoritarianism!" Interesting perspectiveI admire your politeness @duffer.
But deep down I know you know you're wrong.
The franchise was hard fought for. It MUST be protected.
Compulsory voting is coming.
"We must protect the children via taxation and the welfare state""We must protect democracy via authoritarianism!" Interesting perspective
I admire your politeness @duffer.
But deep down I know you know you're wrong.
The franchise was hard fought for. It MUST be protected.
Compulsory voting is coming.
Guess you've seen that mental interview where somebody puts it to him what a c**t she is and he just blurts "I'm delighted to welcome her to the Labour party"
Seems odd for him to be welcoming Elphicke into the party with open arms when Abbott is still suspended from itGuess you've seen that mental interview where somebody puts it to him what a c**t she is and he just blurts "I'm delighted to welcome her to the Labour party"
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