Do you want to discuss boring politics? (13 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

It’s absurd he has to dodge rules on ordering food. In most western countries he’d have a far far better residence and many are paid a lot more and also have their own private chefs paid for.

It’s symptomatic of a wider issue that the leader of the country is underpaid and undervalued compared to many of his peers

#payforboris

err, I mean #prayforboris. We’re all paying.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

You are ignoring every comment I make and pretty much everyone agrees with me that the PM and politicians are under paid - you once said she’s a grey haired old granny and if she. Any do anything what’s the point

It’s you that’s looking utterly foolish.

Ignoring your straw man nonsense until you accept that you're wrong. Just like when you were wrong about it being her that formally signs off on new laws

 

[skybluetony176]

The Queen is not a decision maker and does not represent the country in any talks with other world leaders - our PM is exactly the same status as Merkle macron and Biden. She is a figurehead the same as all other Eu countries with royalty though it is worth noting I believe that the French PM also is paid more than ours even though it’s a far less important role

Johnson runs the country and if you undervalue the job who limit the talent pool who wants it

Well except Russian ones when her cousin gets paid to organise it.

 

[skybluetony176]

Nonsense. Many of them are at the top because they were born unto privilege. You can't really think this Government is talented???

It’s irrelevant what the current government are paid. Non of them are in it for the salary.

 

[Grendel]

Is she the head of state though?

in reality no she’s a sign off for protocol and my point is our prime minister is the exact equivalent of macron etc

 

[Deleted member 4439]

I’m not struggling. I doubt Matt Hancock’s staff are either. Nurses on the other hand...

The staff you are talking of will be largely SEO and HEOs, earning similar to or less than nurses. But hey, up the workers eh.

 

[Grendel]

Ignoring your straw man nonsense until you accept that you're wrong. Just like when you were wrong about it being her that formally signs off on new laws

Ignoring your straw man nonsense until you accept that you're wrong. Just like when you were wrong about it being her that formally signs off on new laws

You have stated on here that the Queen has ultimate power and over military deployment the probe minister none. Anthony Charles Lyndon Blair - did he send troops to Iraq or the Queen. It’s a very simple question and so please answer it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

in reality no she’s a sign off for protocol and my point is our prime minister is the exact equivalent of macron etc

'in reality' answer the question, is she or is she not our head of state?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

in reality no she’s a sign off for protocol and my point is our prime minister is the exact equivalent of macron etc

But officially is she head of state

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You have stated on here that the Queen has ultimate power and over military deployment the probe minister none. Anthony Charles Lyndon Blair - did he send troops to Iraq or the Queen. It’s a very simple question and so please answer it

The Queen is also the commander-in-chief, as Biden is for the US. Who do the soldiers swear allegiance to, the Queen or Boris Johnson?

 

[skybluetony176]

The staff you are talking of will be largely SEO and HEOs, earning similar to or less than nurses. But hey, up the workers eh.

Just so you know it was an average of £4,179.00 per order (doesn’t say how many people that was for, it was from a trendy expensive restaurant rather than domino’s and Mhancock justified it by saying
“I can absolutely justify feeding people who are working 18 hours a day to keep you and everybody else in this country safe,”
Unless those people keeping people safe are nurses.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The obsession in this country with nurses, as if there isn't an entire organisation behind these and other public interfaces, is infantile politics.

I take it you don’t work in the public sector then

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You really have a massive chip on your shoulder - thatcher would have dealt with this crises better than any of the pipsqueak politicians we now have. Even trying to compare her to insignificant worms like Corbyn and Starmer is genuinely hilarious

What the fuck are you talking about now?

You mentioned how Thatcher and Major weren't from posh backgrounds so why are they for giving money to the wealthy and big business. Point being she was a believer in stuff like trickle down economics and that the wealthy etc were more to be trusted. Or put more simply, she was a snob, despite her background. What the hell does that have to do with dealing with this crisis?

Tbf she probably would've been a bit better at leading in this crises unlike Johnson who flip flops depending on public opinion. But on the other hand Thatcher was far more dogged and refused to accept when she was wrong. So if she'd started out on a path of keeping the economy open etc because it was that much more important then she'd have probably stuck with that doggedly for far longer and made it even worse, like Bolsonaro.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Mirror story about money to the very wealthy over the last year makes you weep. We really do need an alternative vision of a more just and fair future

Why on earth did Grendel laugh at that. I'm getting genuinely worried about his mental state.

 

[Grendel]

'in reality' answer the question, is she or is she not our head of state?

Most certainly not as all the powers are in the hands of the prime minister

If Argentina invade the Malvinas and we decide this is an act of war parliament decides and he deploys the military not the monarch

 

[Grendel]

Why on earth did Grendel laugh at that. I'm getting genuinely worried about his mental state.

I doubt you are. I’m laughing as it’s one political cliche after another

 

[Grendel]

What the fuck are you talking about now?

You mentioned how Thatcher and Major weren't from posh backgrounds so why are they for giving money to the wealthy and big business. Point being she was a believer in stuff like trickle down economics and that the wealthy etc were more to be trusted. Or put more simply, she was a snob, despite her background. What the hell does that have to do with dealing with this crisis?

Tbf she probably would've been a bit better at leading in this crises unlike Johnson who flip flops depending on public opinion. But on the other hand Thatcher was far more dogged and refused to accept when she was wrong. So if she'd started out on a path of keeping the economy open etc because it was that much more important then she'd have probably stuck with that doggedly for far longer and made it even worse, like Bolsonaro.

And you say your worried about my mental health

 

[Grendel]

I take it you don’t work in the public sector then

I think Dubed does

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I think Dubed does

Interesting

 

[Grendel]

Interesting

I thought civil service?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Butler smuggled £27,000 organic takeaways into No.10

Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced fresh questions last night as the full story of the secret operation to supply him with £27,000 worth of luxury food at no.10 was disclosed.

www.google.co.uk

Scrounging c**t.

This is the guy in essence in charge of the economy. He's got no financial sense at all.

If you had a working class person struggling to pay the bills and getting takeaway every night and redecorating they be considered totally irresponsible and financially illiterate and should cut their cloth accordingly. And that'd be for spending a tenner on a McDonalds and a few quid per roll of wallpaper.

But get a posh voice and education and spending thousands on overpriced organic or hundreds on a roll of wallpaper and you're given the keys to the Treasury.

It's fucking madness.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Butler smuggled £27,000 organic takeaways into No.10

Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced fresh questions last night as the full story of the secret operation to supply him with £27,000 worth of luxury food at no.10 was disclosed.

www.google.co.uk

Scrounging c**t.

CON +3

 

[skybluetony176]

This is the guy in essence in charge of the economy. He's got no financial sense at all.

If you had a working class person struggling to pay the bills and getting takeaway every night and redecorating they be considered totally irresponsible and financially illiterate and should cut their cloth accordingly. And that'd be for spending a tenner on a McDonalds and a few quid per roll of wallpaper.

But get a posh voice and education and spending thousands on overpriced organic or hundreds on a roll of wallpaper and you're given the keys to the Treasury.

It's fucking madness.

His personal life is in chaos. He’s the privileged equivalent of someone born into normal life that’s made repeatedly bad life choices, ended up on the street and begging. It’s essentially what he is, a beggar.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He should have a Michelin chef and an advisor - I’m not even joking the U.K. needs to get out of this 1970’s view of its leaders

Posh bloke earning roughly 6 times the average UK worker should get free food mde for him. Single parent families struggling to get by on minimum wage should get fuck all. You really are a cap doffer aren't you. I bet you're envious of Cameron's pig at the Bullingdon club.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No I’m pointing out a basic fact that the Prime Minister - who is our head of state - is paid significantly less than his counterparts across the West and many have gyms saunas cinemas and personal chefs as part of the deal

Yesterday you were droning on about India - why don’t the Indian government purchase equipment rather than get it for free

I’m certainly not bitter it’s you that has some Wolfie Smith tub thumping idea of how the world is run. You actually come across as some bloke in his eighties whose “voted Labour all me life”

If they had all that and it swapped to Labour you'd be the first one harping on about 'do as I say not as I do" and "why doesn't this leftie follow his principles and do the same as the common man and pay for his own stuff and cook it himself".

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The Queen is not a decision maker and does not represent the country in any talks with other world leaders - our PM is exactly the same status as Merkle macron and Biden. She is a figurehead the same as all other Eu countries with royalty though it is worth noting I believe that the French PM also is paid more than ours even though it’s a far less important role

Johnson runs the country and if you undervalue the job who limit the talent pool who wants it

Whereas you could pay a fortune and get big hitters like Dido Harding.

 

[Grendel]

Posh bloke earning roughly 6 times the average UK worker should get free food mde for him. Single parent families struggling to get by on minimum wage should get fuck all. You really are a cap doffer aren't you. I bet you're envious of Cameron's pig at the Bullingdon club.

No he’s leader of the country Merkle gets twice a much as him - you unlike Germans are riddled with working class envy

 

[Grendel]

Posh bloke earning roughly 6 times the average UK worker should get free food mde for him. Single parent families struggling to get by on minimum wage should get fuck all. You really are a cap doffer aren't you. I bet you're envious of Cameron's pig at the Bullingdon club.

If Corbyn was elected if say the same. The fact we don’t pay decent wages is why we get losers like Corbyn

Len McCloskey gets £400 grand a year - 10 times the average worker - are you a union flat cap doffer?

 

[stupot07]

Whereas you could pay a fortune and get big hitters like Dido Harding.

Worth every penny


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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The point is they are the voice into parliament which runs the country so clearly a 6 figure salary with benefits and fixed salaries to employ staff office space etc

Obviously yes with Sultana as she is in the job. I’ve said before face to face she and Robinson’s replacement are pleasant and earnest enough but she needs to get away from this utter Corbynist nonsense

The more you pay people the irony is the less inherent wealth people will be elected as you’d get people from top business jobs who otherwise will not take a pay cut and live away from home for weeks on end

Those business people would be focused solely on the money aspect. Couldn't give a fuck about the people. Point of government is to serve the public, not make money. So being a top business person does not necessarily make you good at running a country. If anything if you're choosing it for the pay deal it kind of proves you're not the person suitable for it. Would you want a nurse who was doing it for the pay, or the one who was doing it because they wanted to care for people?

 

[Sick Boy]

Now, there may be all sorts of avenues a govt might go down after that and which would invite some very intense debate, but there are consequences for not monitoring borders.

Borders are monitored, it’s more to do with what happens once people are inside the country.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Agree with this Pete. If there’s huge numbers of vacancies in any sector/employer it either suggests there either isn’t the staff available or the wages aren’t enough. I think with nurses it’s the latter. Pretty much the whole country would support a decent rise for front line health workers, the government needs to pull their fingers out

So given supply and demand the number of people that try to get elected as MP's/councillors, not just in the actual ballots but in just getting the nomination suggests it's not that bad a gig doesn't it?

 

[stupot07]

Those business people would be focused solely on the money aspect. Couldn't give a fuck about the people. Point of government is to serve the public, not make money. So being a top business person does not necessarily make you good at running a country. If anything if you're choosing it for the pay deal it kind of proves you're not the person suitable for it. Would you want a nurse who was doing it for the pay, or the one who was doing it because they wanted to care for people?

100%. It is a vocation, it requires no training, no set level of education or experience. Parliament 'should' be representative of the community it represents.

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Wow. Johnson missed 5 cobra meetings at the start of the pandemic because he was writing a book about Shakespeare to fund his divorce. If this is true, then he let thousands die just to make a few quid. The prime fucking minister.



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CON+4

 

[Deleted member 4439]