Do you want to discuss boring politics? (22 Viewers)
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No, I see race as a social construct.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Not the point I’m making at all.
Government expenditure and the deficit has increased and this has largely been driven by COVID. Handing out pay increases to public sector workers just make sense given that context. A lot of private businesses would struggle to offer their staff 2-3% increases year on year after 2020/2021.
Sturgeon’s cynical 4% increase of nurse’s pay was political opportunism given that there was an election around the corner. It’s not like Scotland isn’t running one of the largest deficits in Europe and what does it matter either? Their deficit is subsidised.
Whatever your point is you keep refusing to accept that someone should apologise for saying something that lead to a huge spike in Islamophobic attacks. All because you've got your nose so far up his arse you can barely breathe.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The consensus seems to be he made some dickish comments about Muslims. That and the Tories more broadly have a problem with Islamophobia and general anti-Muslim sentiment that by proportion of membership is far bigger than the anti-Semitism complaints in Labour.
Yet when pressed you don't seem to have any problem with one of these
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I cannot take seriously the position that criticism, even in the form of parody, against religious fundamentalism is racism, covering as it does the mass number of ethnicities that you would choose to conflate and remove of such identity. It's a defence used by those who wish to control the agenda.
And I think if you spoke with many, perhaps the majority of Jews they might disagree with you, and so even disagree with the concept of race as a social construct.
shmmeee
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I think offering higher pay to a profession spread pretty evenly geographically across the country is a pretty good idea in a recession where demand has dipped severely.
I don’t believe in using economics to mete out some kind of perceived “justice”, I want it to make the economy work as well as possible.
As you say the private sector is on its arse and can’t kick start the economy itself, so the broad shoulders of government have to step in.
Exactly this.
Just fuck off. Don't try and project your thinly veiled racism on to me.
shmmeee
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Apologies, I’d misread your tone to think you were sceptical.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Part of him always is
shmmeee
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This 100%. The polling of Tory members/voters attitudes to Muslims is eye watering.
Fuck off you utter c**t.
Grendel
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think this is acceptable PVA?
Woman beheaded after being warned to wear the burqa
Three young women have been killed – one beheaded – in Indian-controlled Kashmir, days after posters appeared in the state ordering Muslim women to wear burqas.
Brighton Sky Blue
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On the issues in the Tory party what are your thoughts on the views of Javid and Warsi on the Singh investigation?
Baroness Warsi ‘vindicated’ as Tory Islamophobia report criticises PM Johnson | Evening Standard
Grendel
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Fine by PVA - I’m sure all U.K. women have a choice
www.google.co.uk
Woman dragged and beaten for daring to dance and pull off her hijab
A crowd cheered as the woman was attacked in the street by a man.
www.google.co.uk
think this is acceptable PVA?
Woman beheaded after being warned to wear the burqa
Three young women have been killed – one beheaded – in Indian-controlled Kashmir, days after posters appeared in the state ordering Muslim women to wear burqas.www.google.co.uk
Yes it's perfectly acceptable, you got me.
Of course it's not ffs.
Nothing I've said suggests it is acceptable or that I think it's acceptable.
You think antisemitism is deplorable yet think Islamophobia is freedom of speech or some shit.
How fucking difficult is it for you to say Islamophobia is bad?
Can you bring yourself to say it?
What are you talking about? Several people have said that Johnson's comments were appalling.
Still can't bring yourself to say Islamophobia is bad can you.
'own it'.
Grendel
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Ive had enough - all my children are female. In your sad distorted male dominated world if I was a Muslim man and made them wear stupid ridiculous clothes from a mediaeval world and forced them To say they liked it even if there was a way of banning it you’d say no make them wear it
If I was a white next door neighbour who saw them crying every day as they went to school you’d say from your white ivory tower I’m islamaphobic
On ignore - gave you a chance you bigoted moronic fuckwit but that’s it
If you actually read what I had written you would see that I don't agree with it. I literally said I don't agree with it.
And you STILL can't admit that Islamophobia is bad. It's a very simple question. Very illuminating you won't answer.
And happy for you to put me on ignore. Now fuck off you racist c**t.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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How have I missed the fun going on here!?
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By and large they're not - simply the interpretation of them. But let's not go around that one again.
@dubed I know you're not like Grendel, can you please just admit that Islamophobia is bad so we can put that one to bed and move on
Mucca Mad Boys
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Nope, that wasn’t my point. Struggling businesses who are losing money or have greater expenses aren’t going to increase their staff’s wages.
The Government finds itself in a similar position. Less tax income, more expenditure and so on. So increasing the wages of public sector staff isn’t going to be a good idea at this moment in time.
The Government is already toying with taxes raises to pay for the pandemic. Why would it elect to increase its deficit?
If the economy bounces back as is being forecasted, I’d be all up for giving a windfall pay rise to public sector workers.
shmmeee
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You’ve got it ass backwards. The economy is on its arse because spending is down because the economy is on its arse. Raising taxes and depressing wages depresses spending even more putting the economy further on its arse.
We need people to spend money to create jobs so people have more money to spend, so that we can then tax the excess once business is profitable.
If government starts sucking money in the private sector will have to lose even more. That would be utter madness.
As I said, the fact wages aren’t increasing in the private sector is exactly why government has to increase them. Who else will? Are you suggesting private households and business should be saddled with expensive debt and risk going under costing even more jobs? Why?
How can taking money out of the economy during a recession ever work?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Let’s stay on topic here. My argument is very much the Government has increased its deficit with its response to COVID and that needs to managed. Therefore, increasing public sector pay by more than the 1% it already has isn’t a sound idea at this moment in time.
It’s furlough scheme has kept people in jobs at a huge cost. That cost needs to be paid for and the Government has increased corporate tax, frozen the tax thresholds and could even increase the tax rate too. Again, increasing the day-to-day costs of the government doesn’t seem sensible at this moment in time.