Skybluefaz
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#prayforgary
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chiefdave
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Government dragged back to court for approving more arms sales to Saudi Arabia
Campaigners launch judicial review after Liz Truss lists ban despite possible evidence of war crimes
www.independent.co.uk
skybluetony176
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I’m sure governments find themselves in court from time to time but over the last 5 years it’s been a full time occupation for the Tories. They’re facing a JR over how they’ve been issuing Covid contracts, to who, why and where’s the information that they’re supposed to issue on this within a certain timeframe but aren’t.This sentence leapt out at me. "The Court of Appeal imposed a block on new arms sales to the autocracy in June 2019, but the government lifted it following a review in July 2020.". That seems to basically say the court said they couldn't do it but the government did it anyway.Government dragged back to court for approving more arms sales to Saudi Arabia
Campaigners launch judicial review after Liz Truss lists ban despite possible evidence of war crimes
Grendel
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This sentence leapt out at me. "The Court of Appeal imposed a block on new arms sales to the autocracy in June 2019, but the government lifted it following a review in July 2020.". That seems to basically say the court said they couldn't do it but the government did it anyway.Government dragged back to court for approving more arms sales to Saudi Arabia
Campaigners launch judicial review after Liz Truss lists ban despite possible evidence of war crimes
It’s a crackpot group that has a principal aim of stopping arms sales to Israel and is pro Palestine
you really need to get back to the office and have a day off
chiefdave
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Not sure I'd call The Court of Appeal a crackpot group but everyones entitled to their opinion.
fernandopartridge
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It's quite OK for governments to decide to ignore the independent judiciary at will.
Skybluefaz
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'Oh it gets dark, it gets lonely'
skybluetony176
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Again, making boring politics interesting
clint van damme
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HAHA!
fernandopartridge
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It's a never ending grift with him, not sure why he's getting any attention now
fernandopartridge
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Whilst at the same time distracting them from what an at best damp squib Brexit really is.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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That has to be a parody right? Even Farage will know that that'll be seen for what it is - another excuse to extract money from people. Not like lockdown is a long term thing that requires a party against it.
I mean, if you want to call your party reform there's just so many long term things to choose from to want to reform, certainly in terms of governance. But that's not going to get the stupid reactionaries to throw money at him so instead pick on the hot topic of the day even though anyone with half a brain could tell you you don't need a party against lockdown.
Also shows up his constant gripe that he didn't want to be in politics and was just involved because he wanted out of the EU as horseshit. He wants part of that gravy train he supposedly hates more than anyone.
If true this is showing him up as the charlatan he always was.
David O'Day
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jimmyhillsfanclub
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Its pretty damning really that despite the country being run into the ground by a bunch of incompetent, negligent spivs, lickspittles & carpet-baggers, thats the best he can do...... +2 for the nowhere man.
chiefdave
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Part of the problem here is you've had a loud group of Labour centrists spending the last couple of years telling everyone Labour would be 15 points ahead if anyone but Corbyn was in charge.
Doesn't then look good when they get their man in and, with probably the worst performing government in decades, are struggling to establish a clear lead in the polls.
David O'Day
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He started about 20 points behind FFS
David O'Day
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He started about 20 points behind, FFS some people talk some shit
Ian1779
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Didn’t Corbyn start 25 points behind May? And he was shit apparently. Still not seeing any evidence of how Starmer plans to win back the North, hold on to the youth vote or offer any kind of meaningful direction on Green issues, austerity. He’s backed out of pretty much all his leadership election pledges.
He appears to only be interested in appealing to centrist ‘focus groups’ and people that read the Daily Mail. It might be a demographic Labour need to win - but not at the expense of losing other demographics.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Given that we’re not even 1 year into a 5 year parliament, it wouldn’t really matter if Labour were + 10 or 15% in the polls.
Miliband had a couple of good polls results in the lead up to 2015, and Labour lost a lot of seats.
A bit pessimistic here, but I really struggle to see how Labour forms a majority. They need the Lib Dems to have a comeback, about 10-20 Scottish seats from nowhere and win back its seats in the ‘red wall’ and so on. They need to build a new electoral coalition and I’m not really sure how it does that.
Would his brother returning to Britain and politics in this country be a benefit or hindrance do you think , personally I think he's wasted out of it?
Same goes for Rory Stewart.
Both possess genuine wisdom.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I like both of them too. But as we've seen before once you get into the big seat and you've got advisors telling you this, that and the other it just ends up being the usual shithouse with others immediately looking to stab you in the back so they can have a crack.
Although very different philosphies I think Milliband and Stewart could actually create a decent compromise together if they wanted to and critically were allowed to.
Ian1779
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Starmer offers nothing at the moment that will entice the red wall back. He hasn’t even apologised to them for losing them in the first place with his nonsense Brexit agenda.
Ian1779
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I genuinely can’t see what the attraction to D Milliband is. He’s a glorified consultant, and being honest I see more in Stewart.
shmmeee
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Ian1779
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It is a small sample, but it may well play out exactly as above in the end.
It was assumption that allowed Labour to ignore the possibility of losing these seats in the first place, and it is equally foolish that they will just return post-Brexit.
It requires more than a ‘under new management’ slogan.
shmmeee
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But you claimed it wasn’t happening at all. And yet the evidence suggests it’s starting to happen.
Corbyn trashed the party reputation. It was always going to take a while to rehabilitate. But signs are positive.
Ian1779
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No I claimed Starmer wasn’t doing anything - and I still think that’s the case. Cov-ID has taken centre stage and the government’s disastrous handling has pushed people back to Labour.
And while you may have a point about Labour’s reputation being trashed, Starmer was front and centre in facilitating it - especially in the Northern seats.
shmmeee
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Brexit voters had left long before the 2019 GE and were put off mostly by Corbyns lack of patriotism. But even by your metrics, Starmer has:
- Tackled AS
- Made the party more explicitly patriotic
- Come across as competent
- Repeatedly said Brexit is settled
Those alone will go a long way. *as shown in the Polling!!*
skybluetony176
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Might explain the U turn today on free school meals.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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If someone's digging a massive hole for themselves it's sometimes best to just sit back and let them get on with it and let people focus on them rather than grab a shovel yourself and start digging next to them so you get some of that attention too.
Con's did almost nothing last election other than repeat Get Brexit Done. The rest of the time they pretty much just left Labour to get on with destroying itself over the issue/anti-semitism and it worked brilliantly. Johnson hid in a fridge and avoided debates/interviews. Why work hard to win and possibly fuck up when you can rely on the other side to lose it.
Besides it's not like we're nearing an election right now so you can attack all you want and get the polls massively in your favour now but that won't count for shit in four years time.