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[Deleted member 4439]

It was taken before Cummings came all over the commitee.

So I expect the Tory lead to have increased

 

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[PVA]

Ignoring the fact that JOB is a bit of a knob, these are the consequences of Johnson and Hancock's incompetence.

It's all very well them laughing off the claims and lying about it, and it's all very well Tory fanboys saying 'bUt LaBoUr!!!'

But they are literally responsible for people dying that should not have died and they are just going to get away with it. And plenty of cunts will applaud them for it.

"Nine hours is nothing - I desperately needed the answers and for me, he gave me the answers yesterday," John said, "and the simple answer is by Johnson's actions, his refusal to accept the seriousness of the pandemic...and it's as simple as that.

"Using the word vaccination does not wipe away all those people that are dead, but that's what they're trying to do every time they open their mouth it's vaccination, vaccination, vaccination."

James, extremely moved by John's message, said, "I bet you were a brilliant dad."

"She was 56 years old, she was a bundle of fun. I called her Little Chief and she called me Big Chief," he said of his beloved daughter, "she was just the loveliest person in the world and she didn't deserve it.

"None of these people deserved it. At a time of crisis when we desperately needed a really serious politician in charge of Downing Street, we sadly finished up with a charlatan and a narcissist and a liar and that's why my daughter is dead.

"I feel for all of these families, every single family, my heart goes out to them and when I see it every day and people turn round and say it's only nine dead today. That's somebody's loved one - it's not only two, it's not only nine, it's not only one. It's somebody's loved one that's died.

"People are in pain and people should remember that the next time they go to put their cross in a box in a polling station because this man isn't fit to run the country, end of story."

James O'Brien moved to tears by grieving father's response to Cummings' claims

James O'Brien was moved to tears by this grieving father's response to Dominic Cummings giving evidence, which he watched repeatedly for nine hours.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

Ignoring the fact that JOB is a bit of a knob, these are the consequences of Johnson and Hancock's incompetence.

It's all very well them laughing off the claims and lying about it, and it's all very well Tory fanboys saying 'bUt LaBoUr!!!'

But they are literally responsible for people dying that should not have died and they are just going to get away with it. And plenty of cunts will applaud them for it.

James O'Brien moved to tears by grieving father's response to Cummings' claims

James O'Brien was moved to tears by this grieving father's response to Dominic Cummings giving evidence, which he watched repeatedly for nine hours.

www.lbc.co.uk

CON +10

 

[PVA]

CON +10

Indeed.

John should just bloody man up and get over it! Are brave Boris nearly died! And look at his funny hair xx

 

[Grendel]

This has to be a parody by now.

It will I suspect be 46 vs 28 next week

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

CON +10

I thought it was a meme. It was in fact if anything optimistic to just go +4

 

[oakey]

CON +10

What sort of person would not have voted Tory last week but will (given the chance) next week?

 

[SomersetSB]

The Tories are “in turmoil” and they increase their lead.
And if they turn round a Labour 3,500 majority in Batley and Spen it’s over for Starmer isn’t it?
They have to go into Blair territory to get elected!!

 

[TomRad85]

They have to go into Blair territory to get elected!!

Iraq?

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[Evo1883]

Iraq?

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Flashbacks kick in

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The Tories are “in turmoil” and they increase their lead.
And if they turn round a Labour 3,500 majority in Batley and Spen it’s over for Starmer isn’t it?
They have to go into Blair territory to get elected!!

What does that even mean?

 

[Evo1883]

Iraq?

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There's one thing you never forget about Iraq

 

[TomRad85]

There's one thing you never forget about Iraq View attachment 20281

How do you even sleep in that heat? No wonder everyone is a bit cranky.

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[Evo1883]

How do you even sleep in that heat? No wonder everyone is a bit cranky.

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To be fair in the February it was 28 and the locals were wearing coats

Please bear in mind those temperatures and its not even in June yet

By late June it will be 48 49 50 every day and 35 at night

 

[Evo1883]

This was late July 2020 .. the country is just incredibly hot , not muggy ...it's HOT , never felt anything like it and probably won't ever again

 

[Evo1883]

 

[oakey]

Which Labour policies does he have a problem with? I haven't seen any that were not in Corbyn's manifesto.

 

[Evo1883]

Which Labour policies does he have a problem with? I haven't seen any that were not in Corbyn's manifesto.

I dont know , I just put this up as I saw it on twatter

 

[skybluetony176]

MHancock now talking in terms of his “recollection”. Straight out of the Col. Oliver North plausible deniability playbook.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

This was late July 2020 .. the country is just incredibly hot , not muggy ...it's HOT , never felt anything like it and probably won't ever again

I found that in my time working in the Jericho Valley. It could be 50 degrees but that could be more manageable than 30 degrees in the UK due to the low humidity. Wet jeans on the line fully dry in not much more than half an hour!

 

[oakey]

I dont know , I just put this up as I saw it on twatter

Unfortunately (or not) only about 6 million of UK workers are members of unions so I dont really think they can honestly say they speak for "working people" any more. KS should call his bluff. Who else would Unite fund? A breakaway party? Let it roll.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just saw Boris on the news denying it. His body language was awful. Yesterday I thought a lot of what Cummings was saying was just stating what anybody paying attention for the last year or so would already think and everything else was just sticking the boot in but having seen MHancock starting on the path of plausible deniability and Boris’ body language I’m starting to think that Cummings has them rattled so there’s possibly some substance to what Cummings was saying.
They might have to bring the enquiry forward just to clear their names. Assuming that Cummings is just sticking the boot in.

 

[Ian1779]

Which Labour policies does he have a problem with? I haven't seen any that were not in Corbyn's manifesto.

His issue is Starmer’s abandonment of said ideas and his 10 pledges.

 

[SomersetSB]

What does that even mean?

Basically Labour need to go central again to win power and get the working mans vote.
I feel the by election could be a bloodbath for Starmer and who will he sack this time?
It seems it’s never his fault he needs to grow a pair!!

 

[shmmeee]

The Tories are “in turmoil” and they increase their lead.
And if they turn round a Labour 3,500 majority in Batley and Spen it’s over for Starmer isn’t it?
They have to go into Blair territory to get elected!!

That was the case since 2019, in fact even Blair’s swing wouldn’t do it. Corbyn really battered the party. But no losing Batley won’t mean much, just like winning in Oxfordshire or whatever would mean he’s the messiah, he can’t impact demographic change for good or bad. Most of these seats were gone in 2017 but the split right has kept us in power.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the union reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

 

[shmmeee]

Policy platform is unchanged since Corbyn. He’s a lemon.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Basically Labour need to go central again to win power and get the working mans vote.
I feel the by election could be a bloodbath for Starmer and who will he sack this time?
It seems it’s never his fault he needs to grow a pair!!

I've asked before but practically what does 'going central' look like?

 

[Sick Boy]

Ignoring the fact that JOB is a bit of a knob, these are the consequences of Johnson and Hancock's incompetence.

It's all very well them laughing off the claims and lying about it, and it's all very well Tory fanboys saying 'bUt LaBoUr!!!'

But they are literally responsible for people dying that should not have died and they are just going to get away with it. And plenty of cunts will applaud them for it.

James O'Brien moved to tears by grieving father's response to Cummings' claims

James O'Brien was moved to tears by this grieving father's response to Dominic Cummings giving evidence, which he watched repeatedly for nine hours.

www.lbc.co.uk

It’s pretty damning of the country that despite everything they’re still seen in such a favourable light by so much of the electorate.

 

[SomersetSB]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

I stopped my union membership when McClusky was elected.
Horrible man on the gravy train.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

My NEU fees have come in very handy in my relatively short time in the job and they continue to do good work in schools. Guess that's why Boris is so hard on them

 

[SomersetSB]

I've asked before but practically what does 'going central' look like?

Like what Blair was?

 

[shmmeee]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

Yeah same, was a member when I taught for the legal protection that’s essential as a teacher, but since leaving I wouldn’t bother.

Socialism unsurprisingly has really suffered from the destruction of mass socialisation. No mass employment, people more mobile, no church or similar. Hard to put across a message of togetherness when people don’t see themselves as a class. (In the technical term not the Marxist).

The left basically abandoned economics in the 80s and went all in on identity. Which was always dumb as it’s essentially against left wing ideals. We should be focusing on what binds is not what divides us, leave that to the right.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Just saw Boris on the news denying it. His body language was awful. Yesterday I thought a lot of what Cummings was saying was just stating what anybody paying attention for the last year or so would already think and everything else was just sticking the boot in but having seen MHancock starting on the path of plausible deniability and Boris’ body language I’m starting to think that Cummings has them rattled so there’s possibly some substance to what Cummings was saying.
They might have to bring the enquiry forward just to clear their names. Assuming that Cummings is just sticking the boot in.

? Of course there was substance to what Cummings was saying, in terms of simply collaborating events that we already knew about (though you can ignore all the bits in which he basically says "I told you so" , that "I was the only person who knew what we should do" and that my ex-lover was clueless etc etc etc ).

We know that they were releasing covid-possible patients into care homes in April and that care homes were left to rot without PPE. Hancock didn't actually say patients were being tested. We know that we came out of lockdown too early over the summer (most people knew it was too early) and were two weeks too late in December else Boris would have had to cancel xmas. All this is known, to most.

Con +10.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The unions are fast becoming an irrelevancy anyway, and not just because of the uniform reforms that began with Thatcher and which the Labour failed to address in their 13 years in power, to their shame. Ironically, they have in some ways begun to mirror Labour and find themselves more concerned with liberties rather than workplace practices (but again, partly because their power has been removed - idle hands and all that).

I pay nearly 200 quid a year to PCS, and they are simply useless in any workplace activity. I only continue to pay in case I might need them to fight a dark corner. My support for them as something that was part of my working class culture disappeared a long time ago.

Lots of my work in Pcs is in the workplace. No idea what you mean