Do you want to discuss boring politics? (23 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Like what Blair was?

Yeah you've said but what does that mean?

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Yeah you've said but what does that mean?

Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.

 

[shmmeee]

Like what Blair was?

Blairism wouldn’t work in 2021, the approach of listening to voters not party members is timeless, but the results of the approach would be very different today. Likely along cultural rather than economic lines. I suspect something like Blue Labour actually.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

What sort of person would not have voted Tory last week but will (given the chance) next week?

Not me, I don't have a vote.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.

What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?

 

[shmmeee]

What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?

The most important issues facing the country

Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.

yougov.co.uk

Take your pick.

 

[Sick Boy]

What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?

The Sun getting its readers to parrot its ‘stories’.

 

[SomersetSB]

Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.

Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.
Labour cannot just stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best!!

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Lots of my work in Pcs is in the workplace. No idea what you mean

I suspect its a very varied picture. They are invisible at my place, totally invisible, and have been for the last 5 years, when they were abject when our conditions and grades were under attack.

I actually wrote twice to Mark Serwotka to challenge his perceived all round success in getting the CS pension reform overturned, and the effect on folks like me. Very polite points and enquiry. Nada response.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The most important issues facing the country

Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.

yougov.co.uk

Take your pick.

Labour is more trusted than the Tories on health though?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.
Labour cannot just stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best!!

What sort of things would you want to see Labour arguing for?

 

[shmmeee]

The Sun getting its readers to parrot its ‘stories’.

Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:

- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.

The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.

 

[PVA]

It’s pretty damning of the country that despite everything they’re still seen in such a favourable light by so much of the electorate.

Quite. All the Tory fanboys in here just scrolled straight past that story, they don't give a shit, all they care about is that Boris has funny hair and is a bit of a lad.

 

[shmmeee]

Labour is more trusted than the Tories on health though?

Health is a proxy for Corona right now and the govt are smashing vaccinations Polling pretty much tracks the vaccine rollout recently.

 

[shmmeee]

Interesting to see the environment as generally the third highest issue of concern, being of concern to almost a third of the population, most of who no doubt eat meat, drive their kids to school, use the car to commute, are still buying iphones, tablets, tvs etc etc. It certainly is You Gov, not me gov.

Humans gonna human

The impact of individual action is a drop in the ocean compared to government investment and legislation TBF.

 

[SomersetSB]

Quite. All the Tory fanboys in here just scrolled straight past that story, they don't give a shit, all they care about is that Boris has funny hair and is a bit of a lad.

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

Is that 'being more central'?

 

[PVA]

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

This shit is exactly why tens of thousands of people are dead that shouldn't be. Fuck sake.

 

[oakey]

He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!

Tbf I wouldn't want a drink with either but if I had to choose it would be Starmer as his dad was a toolmaker and so was mine. What the hell would I talk about with Johnson? Born in New York, brought up first in Brussells then Eton.
Nothing in common at all.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Tbf I wouldn't want a drink with either but if I had to choose it would be Starmer as his dad was a toolmaker and so was mine. What the hell would I talk about with Johnson? Born in New York, brought up first in Brussells then Eton.
Nothing in common at all.

Also, more likely to be interested in Wasps than City

 

[PVA]

Johnson doesn't do pints anyway. Only for photo opportunities.

 

[clint van damme]

Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:

- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.

The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.

you think that's what he's doing? That would suggest he has a strategy, which he clearly doesn't.

 

[Sick Boy]

Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:

- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.

The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.

To be fair Osbourne’s mockney accent was great.

 

[Sick Boy]

you think that's what he's doing? That would suggest he has a strategy, which he clearly doesn't.

‘Boris’ is a cleverly constructed persona that so many fall for.

 

[clint van damme]

‘Boris’ is a cleverly constructed persona that so many fall for.

I was on about Starmer! I just don't see him as an effective LOTO.

 

[David O'Day]

A lot of people are going be eating crow if an when the Reeves/Yellan thing starts to bare fruit.

 

[Sick Boy]

I was on about Starmer! I just don't see him as an effective LOTO.

Think it applies to both of them.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I suspect its a very varied picture. They are invisible at my place, totally invisible, and have been for the last 5 years, when they were abject when our conditions and grades were under attack.

I actually wrote twice to Mark Serwotka to challenge his perceived all round success in getting the CS pension reform overturned, and the effect on folks like me. Very polite points and enquiry. Nada response.

Where are you?

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Where are you?

What, spirituality?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What, spirituality?

Work? I’m hmrc

 

[Ian1779]

Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.
Labour cannot just stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best!!

I don’t think it’s the centre ground hoovering up votes for the Tories in the North. Recently it’s been Brexit and then the success of the vaccination process, along with a staggering media campaign that has somehow framed the local Labour councils/MP’s as the reason why their constituencies have gone to shit, and in no way linked to the incumbent government and their funding over the last 11 years.
It’s some shit hot propaganda - if it wasn’t so grim in reality.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I don’t think it’s the centre ground hoovering up votes for the Tories in the North. Recently it’s been Brexit and then the success of the vaccination process, along with a staggering media campaign that has somehow framed the local Labour councils/MP’s as the reason why their constituencies have gone to shit, and in no way linked to the incumbent government and their funding over the last 11 years.
It’s some shit hot propaganda - if it wasn’t so grim in reality.

We have to look at ourselves and stop blaming everyone else

 

[Deleted member 4439]

Work? I’m hmrc

dfe

 

[Ian1779]

We have to look at ourselves and stop blaming everyone else

I didn’t say Labour don’t have culpability there - from Blair all the way through to Corbyn and now Starmer. But you cannot deny that some of the reasoning you will have heard from a change voters defies logic and rational sense.

As I said before - Labour need to concentrate their efforts in local affairs, and start showcasing what good they can do in the places they still have control like Preston, Liverpool and Hull for examples, as well as the metro mayoral seats they hold.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I didn’t say Labour don’t have culpability there - from Blair all the way through to Corbyn and now Starmer. But you cannot deny that some of the reasoning you will have heard from a change voters defies logic and rational sense.

As I said before - Labour need to concentrate their efforts in local affairs, and start showcasing what good they can do in the places they still have control like Preston, Liverpool and Hull for examples, as well as the metro mayoral seats they hold.

You didnt no I agree