skybluetony176
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I think eventually Boris will be the Tories Blair. And he’d have earned it. Flag waving only gets you so far. Cool Britannia and all that.
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shmmeee
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Boris Johnson dreams of being half the politician Blair was. Say what you like about his decisions but Blair was always across the detail of his brief. Thatcher was the Tory Blair, there are Thatcherites and Blairites in both parties still, there’ll never be Johnsonites.
Sky Blue Pete
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Summer everyone assumed it was all ok. Ffs to be fair my family were the same
skybluetony176
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Strange how Boris doesn’t want to look in the rear view mirror.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But bollotics will always be full of complete and utter Johnsons
clint van damme
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Does that make it OK to have Cummings in such an influential role?
skybluetony176
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It’s OK, Grendull is clearly criticising Boris’ judgment.
clint van damme
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She hasn't done her job properly, she deserves whatever comes her way. A poor excuse for a journalist.
Philosoraptor
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On the morning of 12 March, said Mr Cummings, the "national security people came in" and said "Trump wants us to join a bombing campaign in the Middle East tonight" and this "totally derailed" meetings about coronavirus.
At the same time, "the prime minister's girlfriend was going completely crackers" over stories in the press about her dog.
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My favorite putdown so far.
At the same time, "the prime minister's girlfriend was going completely crackers" over stories in the press about her dog.
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My favorite putdown so far.
Ian1779
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A stretch in every sense to associate her with journalism. Secretary of State for propaganda would be more fitting.
Evo1883
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Blair was largely a very good prime minister and politician when it come to policies at home .
The man should still face charges for war crimes like any Middle East dictator would have for the same crimes .
Has there ever been a prime minister taint their legacy in such a way in history
Philosoraptor
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Yep Cummings just said that in so many words that he would be prepared to pay for human guinea pig trials on for people for Covid.
Wouldn't just affect the poorest in society. No sir.
The machiavellian tendencies are crazy with him.
Wouldn't just affect the poorest in society. No sir.
The machiavellian tendencies are crazy with him.
Evo1883
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He's basically showing traits of a psychopath
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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In a surprise to virtually no-one.
shmmeee
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He’s right though. If you’re going to kill thousands or even millions indiscriminately while you go through a slower process, you’d be mad not to try and get an order of magnitude fewer volunteers to speed it up.
Philosoraptor
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Seriously though, it is against everything that a commonwealth is set up for. Basic Human Rights.
shmmeee
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? I’ve only had it on in the background while I’m working so might have misheard but I thought he was talking about finding people who would volunteer and get huge payments if things went wrong. Where’s the human rights issue?
Yes poor people would be attracted to it, but that’s true about literally anything involving remuneration. We do this on a smaller scale with medical testing already, I had a mate at Uni who got paid to do testing. This is just increasing the risk/reward calculation.
Philosoraptor
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Can't really believe I need to explain this.
Show me a trail anywhere where there is a significant chance that a healthy person might die from the trial.
shmmeee
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I do wish you wouldn’t do the riddle me this shite. Just say what your point is. I’m guessing it’s that new virus vaccines are significantly higher risk at outset than medical trials are. And yes, I know, that’s why I said the risk reward profile changes. Stopping millions of deaths is possible in a new vaccine but not normal medical tests so the reward is much higher allowing a higher risk for the same moral calculation.
shmmeee
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Again, it would be voluntary. This is a basic trolley problem but you can only ask people to step in front of the trolley instead of pulling a lever.
Philosoraptor
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Seriously?
Spot on. I think Hancock is in big trouble though (rightly, as he’s well out of this depth).
Watched quite a bit this morning, very interesting. If I get this right he’s said government was shit, civil service was shit, initial scientific advice was shit, Johnson was shit and should never be PM (even though he helped him get in the job), Hancock was double shit, Sunak was ok and he (Cummings) tried but nobody listened....but he should never have been in that role anyway
Ps I know many don’t like Hunt but he’s too good to be on back benches and we would’ve been far better having him in role than Hancock (not saying much I appreciate)
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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The fact Hunt is not considered that bad isn't great. He's still far from a great candidate - it's just how bad everybody else is. The fact he's an uber-capitalist who has written about how the NHS should be discarded and sold off in favour of a US style system should discount him from the leadership alone. He's a voice that should have a say, just not the final one.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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They are all just cunts.
Their job is to be electable and to represent the country and the people in the best way. Yet nearly none of them across any party seems to do a good job, let alone actually mean well in the first place which should be the basics.
Where is V for Vendetta when you need him.
Their job is to be electable and to represent the country and the people in the best way. Yet nearly none of them across any party seems to do a good job, let alone actually mean well in the first place which should be the basics.
Where is V for Vendetta when you need him.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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They are all just cunts.
Their job is to be electable and to represent the country and the people in the best way. Yet nearly none of them across any party seems to do a good job, let alone actually mean well in the first place which should be the basics.
Where is V for Vendetta when you need him.
I think there are a number of them who are in it for themselves, and the higher you go the more likely they are to be self-serving.
But I also believe that there are a number (on all sides) who at least go in wanting to improve things only to find the political machine deliberatly prevents it. These people then get disillusioned and walk away or get on the gravy train thinking "I've put this much effort in so I may as well get something out of it"
It's why I've never seriously considered a career in politics - I'm not naive enough to think I've got a loud enough voice to effect change. May as well just whack the ideas down on Twitter or other social media for others to read as it's got more chance of the public becoming aware of it.
shmmeee
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skybluetony176
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So MHancock just told Parliament that he’s always straight while in the same session of Parliament claiming that tens of thousands were being vaccinated every day in Bolton. Official figures show it’s never even been ten of thousands let alone tens. Highest one day total is just over four thousand, average about a thousand less.
Also rumours abound that journalists are banned from the Covid briefing tonight that MHancock is hosting.
Also rumours abound that journalists are banned from the Covid briefing tonight that MHancock is hosting.
