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MalcSB · Monday at 8:39 PM

shmmeee said:
Isn’t it? Should MPs not take up expenses if they’ve made an unpopular decision? What’s the rule you’re proposing here.

Was it her decision? Ministers have not taken up their full salaries in the past in recognition of the “optics” of certain situations.
It’s the size of monthly payment as well, £350. So each month is more than a WFP for a pensioner, and the annual total of £4,200 is over twice the average for a 3 bedroomed house, and she’s not even there all the time. Is it another fucking mansion she’s got in her constituency?

I don’t think there is a rule requiring MPs to live in their constituency. If they need to be there for work reasons, a hotel or return go London by train should be the allowable expense.

MalcSB · Monday at 8:41 PM

Sky Blue Pete said:
Well strictly they gained 2 weeks that is all

I think it suggests nearer 3 weeks. Sometimes even 5 minutes notice - or less - of something could make a difference.

shmmeee · Monday at 8:43 PM

MalcSB said:
Was it her decision? Ministers have not taken up their full salaries in the past in recognition of the “optics” of certain situations.
It’s the size of monthly payment as well, £350. So each month is more than a WFP for a pensioner, and the annual total of £4,200 is over twice the average for a 3 bedroomed house, and she’s not even there all the time. Is it another fucking mansion she’s got in her constituency?

I don’t think there is a rule requiring MPs to live in their constituency. If they need to be there for work reasons, a hotel or return go London by train should be the allowable expense.

I just think stuff is either allowed or it’s not. This coming after politicians for doing things they’re allowed to cos “optics” is silly.

MalcSB · Monday at 8:45 PM

shmmeee said:
We’re talking about multiple things here.

On boats I think it’s a fairness thing and the numbers are fairly irrelevant if we can show everyone has genuine need. I’m not sure we can do that, but in theory.

On work I think most would accept high skill workers but we don’t need to import Deliveroo drivers or barbers.

On study I think again as long as people are tracked and leave when they should I don’t think most would care.

The problem is I’m not sure what you could do to make people trust the asylum process and education visa process again.

if Coventry University (London Campus) shuts down I don’t think anyone would shed a tear, but we’ve got some genuinely high quality institutions doing good work in otherwise economic deserts that do rely on (genuine) foreign students.

We could export barbers, it’s ridiculous how many there seem to be now. Most seem to only accept cash and not cards for some reason that I just can’t fathom. Hand car washes are another thing, why? Surely it could be automated.

MalcSB · Monday at 8:46 PM

shmmeee said:
I just think stuff is either allowed or it’s not. This coming after politicians for doing things they’re allowed to cos “optics” is silly.

Silly in your opinion when it’s Labour politicians.

MalcSB · Monday at 8:48 PM

shmmeee said:
They’ve all got a home at home and all need one in London. The question I guess is London MPs and arguably surrounding areas. I’ve always liked the idea of a house/flat for each MP that needs one given for free for five years, just add bills.

The thing is, for a lot of MPs their constituency isn’t actually their home, is it? There is no residency requirement.

MalcSB · Monday at 8:48 PM

Marty said:
Sounds good in theory, but it's an easy target for the lunatics.

Lots to commend the idea.

MalcSB · Monday at 8:53 PM

CovValleyBoy said:
Dear Admin. Please shut this politics page down. The left wing perspective is draining and damages the good name of Coventry City F.C.

Dear Admin, please ignore the above post. It is great fun to see the left wing majority clutching at straws in their efforts to be apologists for the current government.

Dont they realise that every time they say “but but the Tories did the same” they are actually admitting that Labour are no better than those who misgoverned for 14 years. Labour - the party of change. Well yes, hoping pensioners can find some change down the back of the sofa to pay the energy bill with.

shmmeee · Monday at 8:56 PM

MalcSB said:
Dear Admin, please ignore the above post. It is great fun to see the left wing majority clutching at straws in their efforts to be apologists for the current government.

Dont they realise that every time they say “but but the Tories did the same” they are actually admitting that Labour are no better than those who misgoverned for 14 years. Labour - the party of change. Well yes, hoping pensioners can find some change down the back of the sofa to pay the energy bill with.

The Tories didn’t do the same. The Tories did much worse and now there’s a desperate attempt to make normal things like donations and expenses as dodgy as the shite we saw for 14 years. And some absolute rubes are falling for it hook line and sinker.

MalcSB · Monday at 9:00 PM

shmmeee said:
The Tories didn’t do the same. The Tories did much worse and now there’s a desperate attempt to make normal things like donations and expenses as dodgy as the shite we saw for 14 years. And some absolute rubes are falling for it hook line and sinker.

Sorry shmmeee, I have had quite a number of people say exactly that in response to a post. It makes me chuckle every time.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 9:22 PM

MalcSB said:
I think it suggests nearer 3 weeks. Sometimes even 5 minutes notice - or less - of something could make a difference.

Oh yep but not really in this situation but I agree with you

Ian1779 · Monday at 9:27 PM

MalcSB said:
What on earth happened to fishing?

Have a read - some reference to long term health issues of those working in industry too

Why Grimsby was left behind

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 9:31 PM

Ian1779 said:
Have a read - some reference to long term health issues of those working in industry too

Why Grimsby was left behind

Thank you showing why they voted for brexit but that the reason they did was they had lost their livelihoods

Ian1779 · Monday at 9:42 PM

Sky Blue Pete said:
Thank you showing why they voted for brexit but that the reason they did was they had lost their livelihoods

Compare the map of lost British industry and Brexit voting intention and you get a feeling why so many felt left behind by establishment politics.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 9:44 PM

Ian1779 said:
Compare the map of lost British industry and Brexit voting intention and you get a feeling why so many felt left behind by establishment politics.

Still and more so
However the haves and have nots are still split by class and the ruling upper class don’t give a flying fuck about any of them least of all Farage and lowe and tice

MalcSB · Monday at 10:20 PM

Sky Blue Pete said:
AboveOh yep but not really in this situation but I agree with you

It’s the principle of the thing Pete. IF they acted with pre knowledge it is totally unacceptable. It should be investigated. Perhaps Starmer could find the civil servant who will be the next Tory party Chief of Staff to lead it. Except he won’t want to risk a by election in what looks like a rural constituency.

(Sue Gray really should have recused herself from the Partygate investigation, hence my slightly snide suggestion above).

MalcSB · Monday at 10:34 PM

Ian1779 said:
Have a read - some reference to long term health issues of those working in industry too

Why Grimsby was left behind

EU happened is what I read, so Ted fucking Heath’s fault.

And then Boris should have told the EU to just fuck right off when it came to post Brexit fishing rights and called Macron’s bluffs.

MalcSB · Monday at 10:44 PM

Ian1779 said:
Compare the map of lost British industry and Brexit voting intention and you get a feeling why so many felt left behind by establishment politics.

If the British industry was lost because of Labour’s beloved EU, it’s hardly surprising is it. I wonder how towns who lose their industries because of net zero policies will be feeling in two or three years time. Rachel Hopkins and Sarah Owen (both Labour) are probably looking for new jobs already, if the have an iota of common sense (unlikely).

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 11:29 PM

MalcSB said:
If the British industry was lost because of Labour’s beloved EU, it’s hardly surprising is it. I wonder how towns who lose their industries because of net zero policies will be feeling in two or three years time. Rachel Hopkins and Sarah Owen (both Labour) are probably looking for new jobs already, if the have an iota of common sense (unlikely).

It was lost because Maggie Thatcher ripped these industries away and left vast swathes of the country with no other source of employment. Instead of addressing this Major and Blair continued where she left off and the far right seized the moment by persuading people that foreigners, not domestic governments, are to blame.

She didn’t give a shit about the suffering her policies caused, and nor did the Tories. They just got worried it would cost them at the ballot box in ‘92.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2024-12-03T00:15:27+0000

MalcSB said:
If the British industry was lost because of Labour’s beloved EU, it’s hardly surprising is it. I wonder how towns who lose their industries because of net zero policies will be feeling in two or three years time. Rachel Hopkins and Sarah Owen (both Labour) are probably looking for new jobs already, if the have an iota of common sense (unlikely).

Played correctly net zero could be a massive job creator, and especially in many deprived communities such as coastal towns and cities. Wind and tidal could be a massive boost for them. Many rural areas could benefit from wind and solar. Where jobs would be lost the new technologies can replace them - ie boiler engineers with heat pump engineers etc.

Think with Thatcher was she decimated industrial towns with no plan to replace those jobs - it was all focused on the SE. Hopefully a lesson has been learnt.

Sky Blue Pete · 2024-12-03T07:40:56+0000

MalcSB said:
It’s the principle of the thing Pete. IF they acted with pre knowledge it is totally unacceptable. It should be investigated. Perhaps Starmer could find the civil servant who will be the next Tory party Chief of Staff to lead it. Except he won’t want to risk a by election in what looks like a rural constituency.

(Sue Gray really should have recused herself from the Partygate investigation, hence my slightly snide suggestion above).

It wasn’t slightly lol

I think it is quite different but I also agree it’s a long time since union leaders who took the average salary of who they represented have been in parliament

Im still at ffs why take £300 off some pensioners who can’t afford it I’m afraid

MalcSB · 2024-12-03T07:55:00+0000

Brighton Sky Blue said:
It was lost because Maggie Thatcher ripped these industries away and left vast swathes of the country with no other source of employment. Instead of addressing this Major and Blair continued where she left off and the far right seized the moment by persuading people that foreigners, not domestic governments, are to blame.

She didn’t give a shit about the suffering her policies caused, and nor did the Tories. They just got worried it would cost them at the ballot box in ‘92.

Odd that Thatcher isn’t mentioned in the article all, or in the comments.

It was being a member of the EEC / EU that fucked fishing.

MalcSB · 2024-12-03T08:00:11+0000

Sky Blue Pete said:
It wasn’t slightly lol

I think it is quite different but I also agree it’s a long time since union leaders who took the average salary of who they represented have been in parliament

Im still at ffs why take £300 off some pensioners who can’t afford it I’m afraid

Is it irony that a union, Unite, is taking the WFP decision to a judicial review given it was a Labour chancellor and experienced economist who made the decision?

Sky Blue Pete · 2024-12-03T08:38:20+0000

MalcSB said:
Is it irony that a union, Unite, is taking the WFP decision to a judicial review given it was a Labour chancellor and experienced economist who made the decision?

They’ll win to for the reason I think you stated about an impact statement
I’m not quite politically homeless but I am feeling politically hope less
Reform or its ilk will be in in 2029 and society will be very different
My lad already looking to live elsewhere than the uk on graduating

MalcSB · 2024-12-03T09:43:10+0000

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Played correctly net zero could be a massive job creator, and especially in many deprived communities such as coastal towns and cities. Wind and tidal could be a massive boost for them. Many rural areas could benefit from wind and solar. Where jobs would be lost the new technologies can replace them - ie boiler engineers with heat pump engineers etc.

Think with Thatcher was she decimated industrial towns with no plan to replace those jobs - it was all focused on the SE. Hopefully a lesson has been learnt.

I’m sure tidal will be very helpful for Luton and Longbridge.

shmmeee · 2024-12-03T09:56:35+0000

MalcSB said:
I’m sure tidal will be very helpful for Luton and Longbridge.

You really have become a sulky toddler since the election.

shmmeee · 2024-12-03T10:33:04+0000

Why do I get the feeling all the people who were very concerned about freebies to politicians suddenly will have a problem with this?

Government may cap UK political donations to limit foreign influence

Proposal comes after billionaire Elon Musk reportedly said he would donate £79m to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party

www.theguardian.com

Sky Blue Pete · 2024-12-03T11:36:03+0000

shmmeee said:
Why do I get the feeling all the people who were very concerned about freebies to politicians suddenly will have a problem with this?

Government may cap UK political donations to limit foreign influence

Proposal comes after billionaire Elon Musk reportedly said he would donate £79m to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK party

www.theguardian.com

It will be Marxist

SBT · 2024-12-03T15:46:28+0000

South Korea’s president having a really normal one.

fernandopartridge · 2024-12-03T16:25:12+0000

This is nice isn't it, the quiet

Sky Blue Pete · 2024-12-03T16:38:35+0000

fernandopartridge said:
This is nice isn't it, the quiet

Truly Marxist and socialist government not!!!

fernandopartridge · 2024-12-03T16:50:35+0000

Is the Eurozone about to fall apart?

French government teeters on brink of collapse as no-confidence vote looms

Coalition of PM Michel Barnier likely to fall, with Germany in election mode and Trump about to re-enter White House

www.theguardian.com

MalcSB · 2024-12-03T17:37:40+0000

Had an email today from National Grid entitled “Are you power cut ready?”

MalcSB · 2024-12-03T17:38:52+0000

fernandopartridge said:
Is the Eurozone about to fall apart?

French government teeters on brink of collapse as no-confidence vote looms

Coalition of PM Michel Barnier likely to fall, with Germany in election mode and Trump about to re-enter White House

www.theguardian.com

Quite possibly, thank goodness we are already out of it. This could work out OK for the UK.

MalcSB · 2024-12-03T17:41:46+0000

Sky Blue Pete said:
Truly Marxist and socialist government not!!!

I didn’t think he had a plan for anything. Lots of reviews going on, but little action - and yet that little is going to have such an impact.
Never, in the history of Labour leadership, have so many been so badly affected by so little.

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