Do you want to discuss boring politics? (19 Viewers)

shmmeee · Sunday at 11:19 PM

MalcSB said:
Again, you deliberately miss the point. It’s the lack of contingency planning, not necessarily the principle of the taxation.

Where do I mention taking from working class. I worked all my life, therefore I was working class. I was pretty well paid and have paid hundreds of thousands in tax and NI. Previously privately educated kids turning up at a state school will be taking from the working class. I simply don’t believe that you are so thick as not to realise that.

Labour are taking from the pockets of working people, all the increases in travel taxes for example. It’s hypocrisy that you are happy to go along with as long as Elton John gets his just desserts. I will keep my ears open for the sound of the timbrils and Madamme G’s swoosh followed by the cries of the crowds of old women knitting as they get spattered in freshly gushing arterial blood.

We cannot afford the services we have on the taxes we pay. They’ve already been cut to the bone. More cut mean vital services are cut to working class people who need them. So we need to raise tax, given that it can come from work or wealth and pensions, inheritance, private schools are ways the wealthy preserve their wealth.

The implementation will never be perfect with tax. If you telegraph it too much people change their behaviour too much. There’s no perfect way, but again it’s a tax on fees that schools are mostly rich enough to choose how they implement it. Be it their own service cuts or price changes or eating into endowments.

MalcSB · Monday at 6:59 AM

shmmeee said:
We cannot afford the services we have on the taxes we pay. They’ve already been cut to the bone. More cut mean vital services are cut to working class people who need them. So we need to raise tax, given that it can come from work or wealth and pensions, inheritance, private schools are ways the wealthy preserve their wealth.

The implementation will never be perfect with tax. If you telegraph it too much people change their behaviour too much. There’s no perfect way, but again it’s a tax on fees that schools are mostly rich enough to choose how they implement it. Be it their own service cuts or price changes or eating into endowments.

Fucks sake shmmeee, yet again this isn’t about the taxes, it’s about the impact on children. I thought that you would have been concerned about that, never mind how many or how few may be impacted. What was that term you used? Collectivism.

There are cuts that could be made without affecting working class people. Cuts to the asylum seekers accommodation bills for a start. Cuts to the London weighting allowances of civil servants who are - not working in London but are in Ibiza etc. Repurpose London based offices for accommodation so none of them are employed in London. They could hardly complain about loss of London Weighting then. I wonder how many of them are millionaires like your favourite target - pensioners. Loads at a guess

Have a serious look at the taxation status of religious organisations. It genuinely sickens me to see how much wealth and property they own, especially the Roman Catholics, to house and support so few people - in the UK and across Europe. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth - what a convenient and effective privilege protector Matthew 5.5 really was. Religion - opium of the masses. How very true Karl Marx was.

MalcSB · Monday at 7:01 AM

shmmeee said:
We cannot afford the services we have on the taxes we pay. They’ve already been cut to the bone. More cut mean vital services are cut to working class people who need them. So we need to raise tax, given that it can come from work or wealth and pensions, inheritance, private schools are ways the wealthy preserve their wealth.

The implementation will never be perfect with tax. If you telegraph it too much people change their behaviour too much. There’s no perfect way, but again it’s a tax on fees that schools are mostly rich enough to choose how they implement it. Be it their own service cuts or price changes or eating into endowments.

Fucks sake shmmeee, yet again this isn’t about the taxes, it’s about the impact on children. I thought that you would have been concerned about that, never mind how many or how few may be impacted. What was that term you used? Collectivism.

There are cuts that could be made without affecting working class people. Cuts to the asylum seekers accommodation bills for a start. Cuts to the London weighting allowances of civil servants who are - not working in London but a4e 8n Ibiza etc. Repurpose London based offices for accommodation so none of them are employed in London.

Have a serious look at the taxation status of religious organisations. It genuinely sickens me to see how much wealth and property they own, especially the Roman Catholics, to house and support so few people - in the UK and across Europe. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth - what a convenient and effective privilege protector Matthew 5.5 really was. Religion - opium of the masses. How very true.

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 7:19 AM

MalcSB said:
Fucks sake shmmeee, yet again this isn’t about the taxes, it’s about the impact on children. I thought that you would have been concerned about that, never mind how many or how few may be impacted. What was that term you used? Collectivism.

There are cuts that could be made without affecting working class people. Cuts to the asylum seekers accommodation bills for a start. Cuts to the London weighting allowances of civil servants who are - not working in London but a4e 8n Ibiza etc. Repurpose London based offices for accommodation so none of them are employed in London.

Have a serious look at the taxation status of religious organisations. It genuinely sickens me to see how much wealth and property they own, especially the Roman Catholics, to house and support so few people - in the UK and across Europe. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth - what a convenient and effective privilege protector Matthew 5.5 really was. Religion - opium of the masses. How very true.

You show concern for the impact on children but were silent for 14 years of Tory cuts to education and won't entertain more funding or better facilities now for state education because 'that's not the world we live in'. The truth is what Starmer wrongly did with WFP has warped your view of everything the government is doing, or at least that's how it looks.

In my teaching career I had my classroom roof fall in and regularly was teaching classes of 35 or more in rooms built for 30. Did the Tories care about the impact of things like that on children by refusing to support state education? No, they just outsourced it to the private sector and redirected funding to MAT executives who contribute fuck all to the front line service. Where were you during all of that?

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 7:42 AM

MalcSB said:
Fucks sake shmmeee, yet again this isn’t about the taxes, it’s about the impact on children. I thought that you would have been concerned about that, never mind how many or how few may be impacted. What was that term you used? Collectivism.

There are cuts that could be made without affecting working class people. Cuts to the asylum seekers accommodation bills for a start. Cuts to the London weighting allowances of civil servants who are - not working in London but a4e 8n Ibiza etc. Repurpose London based offices for accommodation so none of them are employed in London.

Have a serious look at the taxation status of religious organisations. It genuinely sickens me to see how much wealth and property they own, especially the Roman Catholics, to house and support so few people - in the UK and across Europe. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth - what a convenient and effective privilege protector Matthew 5.5 really was. Religion - opium of the masses. How very true.

This is again where I think the explanation and pr is off
Maybe it’s just not being heard
There is a limited amount of money to spend and we have to spend this amount much like our household budget on pensions and health and education and yes asylum systems and then we choose these
Some of the stuff they’ve had to do is because they’ve had to and some because they’ve chosen too
They can’t just decide not to spend money on the home office for dealing with claims or housing those seeking asylum
On the private education wasn’t it in the manifesto?
I agree then wfa and changes to inheritance affecting farmers happen too low down the scale but on this most private schools make a lot of money and pay handsomely and most sending children to private school can afford to pay more
Not all and that’s going to be hard for them. I can’t believe no sums have been done on numbers likely to need a space and if there hasn’t rhats wrong

MalcSB · Monday at 8:37 AM

Sky Blue Pete said:
This is again where I think the explanation and pr is off
Maybe it’s just not being heard
There is a limited amount of money to spend and we have to spend this amount much like our household budget on pensions and health and education and yes asylum systems and then we choose these
Some of the stuff they’ve had to do is because they’ve had to and some because they’ve chosen too
They can’t just decide not to spend money on the home office for dealing with claims or housing those seeking asylum
On the private education wasn’t it in the manifesto?
I agree then wfa and changes to inheritance affecting farmers happen too low down the scale but on this most private schools make a lot of money and pay handsomely and most sending children to private school can afford to pay more
Not most and that’s going to be hard for them. I can’t believe no sums have been done on numbers likely to need a space and if there hasn’t rhats wrong

TBH Pete it’s the property, land and gold that pisses me off.

If you reckon schools could absorb 20%, allow me the luxury of reckoning the Catholics could as well.

While they are at it, give Amazon etc a good tax spanking.

MalcSB · Monday at 9:00 AM

Sky Blue Pete said:
This is again where I think the explanation and pr is off
Maybe it’s just not being heard
There is a limited amount of money to spend and we have to spend this amount much like our household budget on pensions and health and education and yes asylum systems and then we choose these
Some of the stuff they’ve had to do is because they’ve had to and some because they’ve chosen too
They can’t just decide not to spend money on the home office for dealing with claims or housing those seeking asylum
On the private education wasn’t it in the manifesto?
I agree then wfa and changes to inheritance affecting farmers happen too low down the scale but on this most private schools make a lot of money and pay handsomely and most sending children to private school can afford to pay more
Not most and that’s going to be hard for them. I can’t believe no sums have been done on numbers likely to need a space and if there hasn’t rhats wrong

PS, I have never seen any PR or anything explanation. I have seen the gold, property and lands and the collection plate.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 9:31 AM

MalcSB said:
TBH Pete it’s the property, land and gold that pisses me off.

If you reckon schools could absorb 20%, allow me the luxury of reckoning the Catholics could as well.

While they are at it, give Amazon etc a good tax spanking.

It’s the charitable status isn’t it
They’d be screwed even more on top of the ni changes if they removed the vat status
I think most property like the farming for church authorities (not the land) is a curse and not a benefit
My church is priceless but we run a deficit budget and lots of the money goes to help around our city and beyond

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 9:35 AM

MalcSB said:
PS, I have never seen any PR or anything explanation. I have seen the gold, property and lands and the collection plate.

I don’t disagree that you have to look at everything which is why more explanation is required
I just don’t think anyone is listening
Unearned income is where I’d look to raise money. Earned income needs to be encouraged but where does one draw the line?
my property increasing in value is not earned income I’ve done nothing to be given this benefit
And as you say land property investments fuck off those are earned income. People being good at the game doesn’t make it earned income

You seem a person with integrity and an ethic that a fair days pay for a fair days wage will out but many like you and me are believing they can have everything and someone else or no one needs to pay
We all need to and those with the most need to pay more especially those who don’t earn it

skybluetony176 · Monday at 11:37 AM

This whole “it’s about the kids” line doesn’t add up. The money raised from the VAT on private education has been pledged to go directly into state education. There’s just over 10 million children in state education, there’s about 500k in private (around 6 percent of who are foreign). If it’s about “the kid’s” then surely you should support this policy. An extra estimated £1.5 billion into state education on 10 million children vs tax breaks for the parents of 500k in private education some of who aren’t even UK citizens so tax breaks to foreigners.

MalcSB · Monday at 11:40 AM

Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t disagree that you have to look at everything which is why more explanation is required
I just don’t think anyone is listening
Unearned income is where I’d look to raise money. Earned income needs to be encouraged but where does one draw the line?
my property increasing in value is not earned income I’ve done nothing to be given this benefit
And as you say land property investments fuck off those are earned income. People being good at the game doesn’t make it earned income

You seem a person with integrity and an ethic that a fair days pay for a fair days wage will out but many like you and me are believing they can have everything and someone else or no one needs to pay
We all need to and those with the most need to pay more especially those who don’t earn it

Those who don’t earn anything seem to do ok in the long term. I will bee paying for my social care needs unlike some.
Being good at the game does take some effort though Pete.

MalcSB · Monday at 11:42 AM

After the ev

skybluetony176 said:
This whole “it’s about the kids” line doesn’t add up. The money raised from the VAT on private education has been pledged to go directly into state education. There’s just over 10 million children in state education, there’s about 500k in private (around 6 percent of who are foreign). If it’s about “the kid’s” then surely you should support this policy. An extra estimated £1.5 billion into state education on 10 million children vs tax breaks for the parents of 500k in private education some of who aren’t even UK citizens so tax breaks to foreigners.

It’s the fact that the investment will be after the event and the twats haven’t got a plan in place for here and now. Incompetence I’m afraid.

skybluetony176 · Monday at 11:51 AM

MalcSB said:
After the ev

It’s the fact that the investment will be after the event and the twats haven’t got a plan in place for here and now. Incompetence I’m afraid.

Well that’s just nonsense. Labour actually have a very bold plan for education. I’ll take just one aspect of that plan as an example. Free breakfast clubs for all primary school pupils. The cost to education system from children arriving hungry is massive. An hour per pupil in time alone. Again if it’s about “the children” then surely you support the policy of VAT on education to support just this one aspect of the Labour education policy.

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 11:58 AM

MalcSB said:
Those who don’t earn anything seem to do ok in the long term. I will bee paying for my social care needs unlike some.
Being good at the game does take some effort though Pete.

I completely agree

Sky Blue Pete · Monday at 1:11 PM

We’re not allowed to take our work computer out the country

chiefdave · Monday at 1:33 PM

MalcSB said:
Whilst I fundamentally agree, that is not the world we are living in, is it?

MalcSB said:
Yes it is. But it isn’t the UK, so what happens there is if no relevance to what is actually happening here, now.

Not singling you out here Malc but this is something that really annoys me about the UK. A lot of people have the attitude of 'things can't be any better' and when you point to other countries it gets dismissed or you get the 'would you rather live there' type of response.

Same with any sort of improvement for peoples lives. If there's a suggestion anyone should get a pay rise, be it nurses, doctors, teachers, police or anyone else the immediate response is either 'what about ...' or 'I haven't had a pay rise'. Same with conditions, the reluctance to even consider things like working from home or the 4 day week because you might not personally benefit from it is crazy to me.

Why, as a country, are we not looking to other places where things are measurably better than here and trying to lean lessons? The UK is sliding down league tables on pretty much every metric and all we seem to get is a shrug of the shoulders and 'nothing can be done'.

chiefdave · Monday at 1:40 PM

MalcSB said:
It’s the fact that the investment will be after the event and the twats haven’t got a plan in place for here and now. Incompetence I’m afraid.

Is there any actual data for this? It seems some bloke on YouTube has set you off on one but I can't really find much solid data to back up the claims.

to be fair not spent a significant amount of time on it but a quick google suggests there has been no increase in the rate of private school closures since the chance and the rate of new private schools opening has slightly increased. Of course schools that have closed have been happy to throw the blame on Labour but would you not expect the rate of closures to increase if it was having a significant impact?

also seems there has been an assessment of how many pupils are expected to move to the state sector, representing less than 0.1% of school pupils, and plans made for that as well as contingency planning for a worse case scenario.

what other plans would you expect to be in place?

MalcSB · Monday at 3:02 PM

chiefdave said:
Not singling you out here Malc but this is something that really annoys me about the UK. A lot of people have the attitude of 'things can't be any better' and when you point to other countries it gets dismissed or you get the 'would you rather live there' type of response.

Same with any sort of improvement for peoples lives. If there's a suggestion anyone should get a pay rise, be it nurses, doctors, teachers, police or anyone else the immediate response is either 'what about ...' or 'I haven't had a pay rise'. Same with conditions, the reluctance to even consider things like working from home or the 4 day week because you might not personally benefit from it is crazy to me.

Why, as a country, are we not looking to other places where things are measurably better than here and trying to lean lessons? The UK is sliding down league tables on pretty much every metric and all we seem to get is a shrug of the shoulders and 'nothing can be done'.

I must be communicating really badly. I most definitely am not saying that we can't learn from elsewhere. However, the learning needs to be done in advance of the action, not when its too fucking late and unintended consequences are already on the way.

i do have a bee in my bonnet about WFH, mainly when it involves staff who are being paid an additional allowance to be working in London. My personal experience of speaking to people who are clearly WFH is that it is at best a second class service being offered.

I will also freely admit I have a thing about train drivers being paid so much. In my view, bus drivers and lorry drivers deserve far more than they do. As do nurses.

MalcSB · Monday at 3:09 PM

chiefdave said:
Is there any actual data for this? It seems some bloke on YouTube has set you off on one but I can't really find much solid data to back up the claims.

to be fair not spent a significant amount of time on it but a quick google suggests there has been no increase in the rate of private school closures since the chance and the rate of new private schools opening has slightly increased. Of course schools that have closed have been happy to throw the blame on Labour but would you not expect the rate of closures to increase if it was having a significant impact?

also seems there has been an assessment of how many pupils are expected to move to the state sector, representing less than 0.1% of school pupils, and plans made for that as well as contingency planning for a worse case scenario.

what other plans would you expect to be in place?

Do you really think Starmerama and pals are going to come out and say, sorry we fucked up here and there are thousands of kids whose education is at peril.

Its not "just some bloke". It's a highly educated bloke for whom making things up would be severely reputation ally damaging.

So many on here just don't want to accept that the government is incompetent and are grasping at straws.

skybluetony176 · Monday at 3:38 PM

MalcSB said:
Do you really think Starmerama and pals are going to come out and say, sorry we fucked up here and there are thousands of kids whose education is at peril.

Its not "just some bloke". It's a highly educated bloke for whom making things up would be severely reputation ally damaging.

So many on here just don't want to accept that the government is incompetent and are grasping at straws.

Malc, 10 million kids got screwed over by the Tories. Labour has come up with a policy that is popular to help deal with a problem they’ve inherited. Do the basic maths. 1% of possibly 460k children may have to be lowered temporarily to a standard 10 million kids live day in day out while the capital gained from the popular policy will contribute greatly towards the improvement of education to the vast majority of all children.

You really aren’t thinking of the kids.

MalcSB · Monday at 4:06 PM

skybluetony176 said:
Malc, 10 million kids got screwed over by the Tories. Labour has come up with a policy that is popular to help deal with a problem they’ve inherited. Do the basic maths. 1% of possibly 460k children may have to be lowered temporarily to a standard 10 million kids live day in day out while the capital gained from the popular policy will contribute greatly towards the improvement of education to the vast majority of all children.

You really aren’t thinking of the kids.

Don’t try to read my mind. If it was my kids involved I would be fucking furious. Have you heard of the concept of empathy?

Fuck all can be done about what you claim the Tories did, isn’t there an old saying that two wrongs don’t make a right. Labour did millions of bright working class kids a disservice by scrapping grammar schools.

You are all so pissed off that it’s going horribly wrong but you just can’t, or won’t, admit it. Totally avoidable with an ounce of common sense, but there isn’t a microgram of that amongst the entire cabinet. Cabinet is quite an appropriate term for a collective that are as thick as two short planks.

Been reading Labour List recently? Coz that is always open and honest propaganda.

Landslide and your fucking it up!

MalcSB · Monday at 4:16 PM

skybluetony176 said:
Malc, 10 million kids got screwed over by the Tories. Labour has come up with a policy that is popular to help deal with a problem they’ve inherited. Do the basic maths. 1% of possibly 460k children may have to be lowered temporarily to a standard 10 million kids live day in day out while the capital gained from the popular policy will contribute greatly towards the improvement of education to the vast majority of all children.

You really aren’t thinking of the kids.

So, when / if the demanding posh kids turn up at local state schools with their pushy parents, what about these as consequences for those already at those schools? Put the fucking investment in place first! Reeves changed the borrowing definitions so could easily have done so, unless she has no confidence in the policy.

fewer teachers,
less equipment and books,
bigger classes,
less attention on the needs of each child.

Sauce Labour Lists

Universally popular? Clearly not.

skybluetony176 · Monday at 5:01 PM

MalcSB said:
Don’t try to read my mind. If it was my kids involved I would be fucking furious. Have you heard of the concept of empathy?

Fuck all can be done about what you claim the Tories did, isn’t there an old saying that two wrongs don’t make a right. Labour did millions of bright working class kids a disservice by scrapping grammar schools.

You are all so pissed off that it’s going horribly wrong but you just can’t, or won’t, admit it. Totally avoidable with an ounce of common sense, but there isn’t a microgram of that amongst the entire cabinet. Cabinet is quite an appropriate term for a collective that are as thick as two short planks.

Been reading Labour List recently? Coz that is always open and honest propaganda.

Landslide and your fucking it up!

It was you who said think of the kids, I wasn’t reading your mind I was quoting you directly. I have empathy for the 10 million, something that you’re clearly lacking as your focus is on a possibly single digit percentage of 460k.

Plenty can be done about what the Tories did, it’s just going to take investment and time.

The rest of your post is just babbling nonsense which I won’t bother replying too.

skybluetony176 · Monday at 5:13 PM

MalcSB said:
So, when / if the demanding posh kids turn up at local state schools with their pushy parents, what about these as consequences for those already at those schools? Put the fucking investment in place first! Reeves changed the borrowing definitions so could easily have done so, unless she has no confidence in the policy.

fewer teachers,

less equipment and books,

bigger classes,

less attention on the needs of each child.

Sauce Labour Lists

Universally popular? Clearly not.

They are putting the investment in. You’ve obviously missed it but they’re putting an extra £2.3 billion into education announced in the budget for schools and SANDS. This returns investment in education back to 2010 levels in real terms.

It’s going to be invested in employing more teachers, it’s going to be invested in free breakfast clubs for all primary schools (a measure that will ensure all children aren’t starting primary school hungry but also allow working parents to work longer hours, meaning they will earn more money and hopefully productivity will increase in the British workforce having a positive impact on the economy.)

In all polling charging VAT on private education is popular. More popular than Labour at the last election, more popular than Brexit at the the point of the referendum. It’s the will of the people.

PVA · Monday at 5:45 PM

It's doesn't matter that millions of kids were fucked over by the Tories because that's in the past, but a handful of the richest kids in the land being screwed is the real tragedy.

It's quite the take, it really is.

chiefdave · Monday at 6:23 PM

MalcSB said:
Do you really think Starmerama and pals are going to come out and say, sorry we fucked up here and there are thousands of kids whose education is at peril.

Its not "just some bloke". It's a highly educated bloke for whom making things up would be severely reputation ally damaging.

So many on here just don't want to accept that the government is incompetent and are grasping at straws.

Don't see many on here singing the praises of Starmer and his government tbh. I think most people think its been disappointing so far at best.

But on this one I'm not really sure what you're wanting. There's seemingly been an impact assessment done and plans made based off that. There's also a contingency plan for a worse case scenario. And in the grand scheme of things it will impact a tiny, way less than 1%, number of students while the money raised should benefit far more students.

The idea that kids went home from private school at Christmas and will have nowhere to go back to in January seems to have been made up to get people angry.

shmmeee · Monday at 6:38 PM

MalcSB said:
Fucks sake shmmeee, yet again this isn’t about the taxes, it’s about the impact on children. I thought that you would have been concerned about that, never mind how many or how few may be impacted. What was that term you used? Collectivism.

There are cuts that could be made without affecting working class people. Cuts to the asylum seekers accommodation bills for a start. Cuts to the London weighting allowances of civil servants who are - not working in London but are in Ibiza etc. Repurpose London based offices for accommodation so none of them are employed in London. They could hardly complain about loss of London Weighting then. I wonder how many of them are millionaires like your favourite target - pensioners. Loads at a guess

Have a serious look at the taxation status of religious organisations. It genuinely sickens me to see how much wealth and property they own, especially the Roman Catholics, to house and support so few people - in the UK and across Europe. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth - what a convenient and effective privilege protector Matthew 5.5 really was. Religion - opium of the masses. How very true Karl Marx was.

Kids move schools all the time. Any school kicking kids out mid year for this is entirely their choice. And no mate. After 14 years of austerity there are not more cuts that can be made. Don’t be ridiculous. This stupid have your cake and eat it shite is what got us here. Stop.

rob9872 · Monday at 8:56 PM

14 years
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14 years

Christ nearly every post.

First, it's about what they're going to do, not what someone else did. Second, we started with a coalition post recession and austerity was required. The next term was post Brexit and things had started turn when Covid hit, consequently not only furlough payments but lots of worldwide issues. Im not even pretending that they were blameles and im not defending lots of the things they did, but to keep blaming them for 14 years austerity is inaccurate and not a fair representation.

What we need now is a plan, not excuses.

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 9:05 PM

skybluetony176 said:
Well that’s just nonsense. Labour actually have a very bold plan for education. I’ll take just one aspect of that plan as an example. Free breakfast clubs for all primary school pupils. The cost to education system from children arriving hungry is massive. An hour per pupil in time alone. Again if it’s about “the children” then surely you support the policy of VAT on education to support just this one aspect of the Labour education policy.

Lunch and breakfast should be free at school for age 5-16

Ian1779 · Monday at 9:54 PM

Whilst the poor loves worry about their private school places…. Thousands of kids go to school in more unsafe buildings…

Safety checks ordered amid concern over thousands of postwar school buildings in England

chiefdave · Monday at 10:03 PM

Ian1779 said:
Whilst the poor loves worry about their private school places…. Thousands of kids go to school in more unsafe buildings…

Safety checks ordered amid concern over thousands of postwar school buildings in England

When I went to school in the 80s there was always talk about how the school buildings were due to be knocked down and replaced as they'd reached the end of their lifespan and were no longer fit for purpose.

That same school is at the end of the road I now live on and is still there pretty much untouched. As far as I can tell they've painted the render on the outside of the buildings and that's about it.

It was packed to capacity when I was there and I would be very surprised if there's no significantly more kids there now.

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 10:08 PM

chiefdave said:
When I went to school in the 80s there was always talk about how the school buildings were due to be knocked down and replaced as they'd reached the end of their lifespan and were no longer fit for purpose.

That same school is at the end of the road I now live on and is still there pretty much untouched. As far as I can tell they've painted the render on the outside of the buildings and that's about it.

It was packed to capacity when I was there and I would be very surprised if there's no significantly more kids there now.

The school I taught in with the collapsed classroom ceiling saw its funding actually get cut as the government ruled it received too much. By some miracle no children were in the room at the time.

Tories let school buildings go into decay under Thatcher and Major also, Blair to his credit pumped money into them.

MalcSB · Monday at 10:08 PM

shmmeee said:
Kids move schools all the time. Any school kicking kids out mid year for this is entirely their choice. And no mate. After 14 years of austerity there are not more cuts that can be made. Don’t be ridiculous. This stupid have your cake and eat it shite is what got us here. Stop.

So those ideas I mentioned are totally unreasonable?

I think you have lost it mate.

MalcSB · Monday at 10:09 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The school I taught in with the collapsed classroom ceiling saw its funding actually get cut as the government ruled it received too much. By some miracle no children were in the room at the time.

Tories let school buildings go into decay under Thatcher and Major also, Blair to his credit pumped money into them.

Doesnt sound liked Blair pumped much money in to your school though, does it?

Brighton Sky Blue · Monday at 10:13 PM

MalcSB said:
Doesnt sound liked Blair pumped much money in to your school though, does it?

The classroom collapse was some way into the Tory government. Blair’s huge failing was to promote academisation which has significantly increased the waste of education funding. If Starmer wanted to save money and improve education outcomes he could return all schools to local authority control.

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