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[CCFCSteve]

Just seems like you can label any old shit AI and people get excited with zero understanding of what it actually means. Most of the stuff being labelled AI shouldn't be called that to start with.

The idea that its some shortcut to an economic boom doesn't work for me.

Agree that companies will tag AI onto anything in the hope it makes it a more attractive product/service, however, it should be a major productivity driver for adopters.

I’m no techy but im pretty sure that over the next 5-10 years the changes in the world brought about by AI will be dramatic

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Agree that companies will tag AI onto anything in the hope it makes it a more attractive product/service, however, it should be a major productivity driver for adopters.

I’m no techy but im pretty sure that over the next 5-10 years the changes in the world brought about by AI will be dramatic

Me too

 

[shmmeee]

Agree that companies will tag AI onto anything in the hope it makes it a more attractive product/service, however, it should be a major productivity driver for adopters.

I’m no techy but im pretty sure that over the next 5-10 years the changes in the world brought about by AI will be dramatic

Even if we make no more progress I’d expect huge productivity enhancements just using what’s out there effectively. Like every new tech there’s a boatload of marketing hype and outright grifters.

 

[chiefdave]

Not going to get too excited about AI driven productivity improvements. If experience is anything to go by that's just going to mean I'll be expected to do more work and wages will be suppressed as people get laid off and there's a surplus of workers.

Sure someone will benefit but doubt it will be me.

 

[shmmeee]

Not going to get too excited about AI driven productivity improvements. If experience is anything to go by that's just going to mean I'll be expected to do more work and wages will be suppressed as people get laid off and there's a surplus of workers.

Sure someone will benefit but doubt it will be me.

Time to join the RMT?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Labour just the same as their predecessors with magic thinking in relation to AI. People would be more productive *today* if you just did the basics like improve the underlying infrastructure and technology. I've just done a procurement for connectivity to GP practices in one region of the country, the NHS can't even afford to give them the level of service to support EPRs and video consultation, never mind loading extra stuff on top of it. Fix the fucking basics m

 

[chiefdave]

Time to join the RMT?

Looked into becoming a train driver a few years ago. It seems pretty difficult to get into.

You need a lot of training as obviously you're responsible for keeping a lot of people safe. But because the franchises don't want to pay to put people through a couple of years of training the number of spaces each year are very limited.

Then they wonder why there isn't enough drivers and they have to keep pushing people to do overtime.

 

[Sick Boy]

What was dumb was the EU developing in to an interfering and wasteful quasi government insisting on open borders instead of staying what we had previously voted in 1975 to stay a part of which was a trading partnership - the EEC.

If it had stayed as such I seriously doubt there would have been a referendum and / or Brexit. Mind you, the bastards would have nabbed our Covid vaccines. The Special Military Operation to liberate them would have been interesting.

Oh well. I’m sure the EU will continue to cope.

 

[shmmeee]

Looked into becoming a train driver a few years ago. It seems pretty difficult to get into.

You need a lot of training as obviously you're responsible for keeping a lot of people safe. But because the franchises don't want to pay to put people through a couple of years of training the number of spaces each year are very limited.

Then they wonder why there isn't enough drivers and they have to keep pushing people to do overtime.

I meant more so you can go on strike to protest automation.

 

[shmmeee]

In case anyone is still wondering what happened to the Cov Tel output:

Mirror journalists given individual online page-view targets

Mirror journalists have been given page view targets, raising concerns about editorial quality and future job security.

pressgazette.co.uk

 

[Nick]

In case anyone is still wondering what happened to the Cov Tel output:

Mirror journalists given individual online page-view targets

Mirror journalists have been given page view targets, raising concerns about editorial quality and future job security.

pressgazette.co.uk

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Which is why they aren't really journalists. They are "content creators" and let's face it, "AI" can line up most of their shite within minutes.

 

[shmmeee]

Which is why they aren't really journalists.

I mean still a step up from influencers who have literally zero journalistic standards, but yeah. Hence why the BBC is so important, otherwise everything trends to this shit.

 

[SBT]

Which is why they aren't really journalists. They are "content creators" and let's face it, "AI" can line up most of their shite within minutes.

Why aren’t they journalists?

There are already plenty of A.I. alternatives to legacy media and most of them are shit.

 

[Nick]

Why aren’t they journalists?

There are already plenty of A.I. alternatives to legacy media and most of them are shit.

Because they are just content creators, in the example posted. The "local" newspapers aren't really that any more.

 

[shmmeee]

Why aren’t they journalists?

There are already plenty of A.I. alternatives to legacy media and most of them are shit.

I think the move to an attention economy and the atomisation of news has meant that you don’t get space to just do your job well as part of a larger whole that’s stands on its own two feet. While there was a bit of “don’t piss major advertisers off” generally someone like Turner would live or die on his overall output and whether it brought CCFC fans in. No one was changing their output to sell more classifieds.

Now it’s not a publication but just your article and a clickbait headline judged on number of clicks the incentives are all off.

It used to just be the front page that did click bait, now it’s every article.

 

[SBT]

Because they are just content creators, in the example posted. The "local" newspapers aren't really that any more.

What's the difference between a journalist and a content creator?

 

[shmmeee]

What's the difference between a journalist and a content creator?

Journalism ethics and standards - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Nick]

What's the difference between a journalist and a content creator?

I'm sure a proper journalist will investigate and have a clue about what their articles are about rather than just churning out as much shite as possible.

Nowadays, with the CET and the like it's just people watching social media and then turning things into "stories" with as much of a clickbait headline as possible. Failing that, they seem to just get it from a central pool of stories and decide to post about a woman at the other end of the country losing weight or "top 5 things we learnt from the Antiques Roadshow". Let's face it, that's not journalism it's affiliate marketing.

Even Andy Turner, he's put in his article about the ref missing things while also saying Jack Rudoni had a goal disallowed. It's fucking basics, too busy writing clickbait to get city fans to have a look.

 

[SBT]

I'm sure a proper journalist will investigate and have a clue about what their articles are about rather than just churning out as much shite as possible.

Nowadays, with the CET and the like it's just people watching social media and then turning things into "stories" with as much of a clickbait headline as possible. Failing that, they seem to just get it from a central pool of stories and decide to post about a woman at the other end of the country losing weight or "top 5 things we learnt from the Antiques Roadshow". Let's face it, that's not journalism it's affiliate marketing.

I don't see how it's not journalism - unless you can give me a better definition of what journalism is.

I'm sure it's not journalism that you like very much, and it's certainly not likely to win any Pulitzers, but it's still journalism nevertheless.

I'm guessing you see "content creator" as a pejorative term but many of them are journalists too.

 

[Nick]

I don't see how it's not journalism - unless you can give me a better definition of what journalism is.

I'm sure it's not journalism that you like very much, and it's certainly not likely to win any Pulitzers, but it's still journalism nevertheless.

I'm guessing you see "content creator" as a pejorative term but many of them are journalists too.

I see content creator as somebody who just spends their day regurgitating shit they have seen online into "stories" without actually investigating things. You see it all over social media when somebody posts a video of a dog jumping a fence or something. "Hi, It's X from Y Daily. We would love to use this video".

It's not even as if they bother gathering more information and facts to add to the stories either so yeah, they are just there to spin out as much content as possible.

I used to employ somebody from Indonesia to do exactly that years ago. They weren't a journalist either, it was affiliate marketing.

The worst one is the person at the CET who rings up their mate who is an estate agent (when you look into them, not a very good one either) and labels them an "industry expert" for their views on housing etc. Then you have the "I ordered a burger, this is what happened" type shite, the sort of thing you would do in Year 9 at school when you pretend to do a newspaper.

 

[SBT]

I see content creator as somebody who just spends their day regurgitating shit they have seen online into "stories" without actually investigating things. You see it all over social media when somebody posts a video of a dog jumping a fence or something. "Hi, It's X from Y Daily. We would love to use this video".

It's not even as if they bother gathering more information and facts to add to the stories either so yeah, they are just there to spin out as much content as possible.

I used to employ somebody from Indonesia to do exactly that years ago. They weren't a journalist either, it was affiliate marketing.

If the stories from your friend in Indonesia were being fact-checked to a decent standard and they weren't just writing them to help out a particular company or political party then again, I don't see why it wasn't journalism.

Churning out loads of stories or putting in minimal effort to track them down doesn't preclude someone from being a journalist. Again, you might not like this, but it doesn't make it untrue.

 

[Nick]

If the stories from your friend in Indonesia were being fact-checked to a decent standard and they weren't just writing them to help out a particular company or political party then again, I don't see why it wasn't journalism.

Churning out loads of stories or putting in minimal effort to track them down doesn't preclude someone from being a journalist. Again, you might not like this, but it doesn't make it untrue.

They were fact checked to a higher standard than a lot of the stuff on the telegraph site it seems. (Cet). It wasn't journalism, it was just making as much content as possible to get clicks.

 

[SBT]

They were fact checked to a higher standard than a lot of the stuff on the telegraph site it seems. (Cet). It wasn't journalism, it was just making as much content as possible to get clicks.

The number of clicks is immaterial, it’s the job you hired them to do. You could have tried to get maximum clicks from hiring someone to write freeform poetry, or drawing pictures of tractors. Instead, you hired someone to go out and find things that were happening in the real world so they could write accurate stories about them which were of interest to your customers. Otherwise known as…..journalism.

 

[Nick]

The number of clicks is immaterial, it’s the job you hired them to do. You could have tried to get maximum clicks from hiring someone to write freeform poetry, or drawing pictures of tractors. Instead, you hired someone to go out and find things that were happening in the real world so they could write accurate stories about them which were of interest to your customers. Otherwise known as…..journalism.

The number of clicks is the whole focus behind it. That's the point. They aren't going out anywhere, that's the other point.

You could set up a scraper from Spotted Coventry and get AI to flesh it out; some good prompts to normalise the text and get the job done.

Same with Andy Turner, you could just automate looking at the post-match interviews, add some quotes, add in some stats or key moments from the game to give AI an idea of the game and get it to write a post-match report.

It doesn't matter how it reads, it doesn't matter if things are fact-checked nowadays.

 

[SBT]

It doesn't matter how it reads, it doesn't matter if things are fact-checked nowadays.

Really? You seem to pull journalists up on this stuff all the time, I would have said it matters a great deal.

Plenty of outlets have trialled the automated/AI-generated approach to journalism that you've suggested - it no doubt has some use and will surely get better, but at the moment it's pretty shite. Feel free to show me examples of how I'm wrong though.

Your Indonesian example pretty elegantly shows the difference between journalism and content creation - you could have very easily got someone (or something) to pull content out of thin air, but (correctly) identified that there is a greater (or at least a different) value in hiring someone to instead produce content that is not just rooted in reality and current affairs, but also meets a basic standard of accuracy. That's what journalism is.

 

[Nick]

Really? You seem to pull journalists up on this stuff all the time, I would have said it matters a great deal.

Plenty of outlets have trialled the automated/AI-generated approach to journalism that you've suggested - it no doubt has some use and will surely get better, but at the moment it's pretty shite. Feel free to show me examples of how I'm wrong though.

Your Indonesian example pretty elegantly shows the difference between journalism and content creation - you could have very easily got someone (or something) to pull content out of thin air, but (correctly) identified that there is a greater (or at least a different) value in hiring someone to instead produce content that is not just rooted in reality and current affairs, but also meets a basic standard of accuracy. That's what journalism is.

I am saying it doesn't matter to them how it reads, hence I don't see it as journalism.

I hired somebody about 15 years ago to whip content up for me, way before the days of AI. It wasn't journalism in the slightest and wasn't based on current affairs (not sure where you have got this from). It was just content to try and get clicks and in those days rank well in Google.

It's exactly the type of shite the Telegraph churn out mostly.