Do you want to discuss boring politics? (16 Viewers)

[MalcSB]

However I love when they get accused of downplay Nn everything and when they’re upbeat they get accused of lying
Can’t win springs to mind and no I’m still pissed off at wfa and inheritance tax being at too low a figure but everything else I’m ok with

Lucky you being so easily pleased

Are you ok with the levels of competence being displayed?

 

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[Grendel]

I bet she did

• The UK continues to challenge China on areas of disagreement, with the Chancellor raising concerns over China’s support for Russia’s illegal war, domestic interference and sanctions against British parliamentarians.

I am sure they will listen

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Lucky you being so easily pleased

Are you ok with the levels of competence being displayed?

What other things have you been disappointed by?

 

[Grendel]

What other things have you been disappointed by?

The economy is stagnating - especially in the small and medium industrial sectors.

The increased NI and minimum wage (which will create demands elsewhere) means companies will look to cut jobs, reduce hiring and increase costs. I have had two letters this week from fairly well established companies going into receivership. Growth has stopped and costs are rising as a direct result of the budget,

 

[shmmeee]

As did a woman as PM break the brains of the left.

Of all the procession of morons who have been PM since 2010 May was the best TBH

 

[fernandopartridge]

Is @David O'Day still posting on here

 

[shmmeee]

Lucky you being so easily pleased

Are you ok with the levels of competence being displayed?

What is your evidence for incompetence exactly?

 

[shmmeee]

Is @David O'Day still posting on here

This is a boilerplate treasury letter.

 

[shmmeee]

Chancellor marks £600m of secure growth for UK economy in Beijing

Closer financial services links with China to support secure and resilient growth in UK as government’s number one mission.

www.gov.uk

Transpires it’s only £120m a year over 5 years despite most seeing to have taken it to be £600m a year.

Everything I’ve seen has said 600m over five years. See me and wingy discussing this earlier in the thread. If you misunderstood that’s not anyone else’s fault.

 

[fernandopartridge]

This is a boilerplate treasury letter.

Come on man, you don't have to defend the indefensible just because it's your team.

 

[fernandopartridge]

All roads lead back to the self imposed fiscal rules, like I said they would

 

[shmmeee]

Come on man, you don't have to defend the indefensible just because it's your team.

It is though?

You don’t have to believe the media framing just because it’s not Corbyn.

The treasury always tells people to be ruthless in cutting. It’s the treasury, that’s its job. The entire Reeves in trouble framing is made up out of whole cloth.

 

[Grendel]

All roads lead back to the self imposed fiscal rules, like I said they would

What is worse even these rules assume some growth but there is no economic strategy which will actually result in any growth.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It is though?

You don’t have to believe the media framing just because it’s not Corbyn.

The treasury always tells people to be ruthless in cutting. It’s the treasury, that’s its job. The entire Reeves in trouble framing is made up out of whole cloth.

Who oversees the treasury?

 

[fernandopartridge]

What is worse even these rules assume some growth but there is no economic strategy which will actually result in any growth.

Well exactly, as was always going to be the case. Some deluded ideas of spare spending capacity within the economy. Just completely ignorant of the accumulated impact of the cost of living on businesses and households.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The economy is stagnating - especially in the small and medium industrial sectors.

The increased NI and minimum wage (which will create demands elsewhere) means companies will look to cut jobs, reduce hiring and increase costs. I have had two letters this week from fairly well established companies going into receivership. Growth has stopped and costs are rising as a direct result of the budget,

Growth had stagnated nothing new it’s a carry on from the last however long

 

[Grendel]

Well exactly, as was always going to be the case. Some deluded ideas of spare spending capacity within the economy. Just completely ignorant of the accumulated impact of the cost of living on businesses and households.

Its pretty grim from where I am sitting. Councils are also hiking rentals circa 40% on some of the short term leaseholds on expiry. If this carries on it will look very grim indeed.

 

[Captain Dart]

I see Reeeves has just returned from China where they humiliated her by agreeing a paltry £600m in deals. Why on earth did she bother to go?

 

[Grendel]

Growth had stagnated nothing new it’s a carry on from the last however long

No industrial growth is declining and the government has increased punitive costs to business - how will that actually create growth in your view?

 

[shmmeee]

Who oversees the treasury?

Pretty much no one sadly in modern British politics.

 

[shmmeee]

Well exactly, as was always going to be the case. Some deluded ideas of spare spending capacity within the economy. Just completely ignorant of the accumulated impact of the cost of living on businesses and households.

No matter how much you complain or who you vote for you are never going to get the treasury to throw out economic orthodoxy and adopt MMT.

 

[fernandopartridge]

No matter how much you complain or who you vote for you are never going to get the treasury to throw out economic orthodoxy and adopt MMT.

The treasury already does adopt MMT, it's a description of how spending actually works as backed up by the Bank of England paper (Money creation in the modern economy).

 

[MalcSB]

What other things have you been disappointed by?

only everything

 

[Captain Dart]

What other things have you been disappointed by?

Disappointed is the wrong word, outraged would be more appropriate.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

only everything

The children and welfare bill???

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Disappointed is the wrong word, outraged would be more appropriate.

Outraged at what?

 

[PVA]

Outraged at what?

The fact they lost.

 

[shmmeee]

The fact they lost.

Worse than any Remoaner. The tantrumming has been off the scale from left and right since they lost their elections.

 

[MalcSB]

The children and welfare bill???

May be too little to late

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

May be too little to late

Wow really?
They only got in 6 months ago

 

[Captain Dart]

The children and welfare bill???

A Bill that will take rights from parents to do what's best for their child! Is the intention for the state to become the parent?

 

[MalcSB]

Outraged at what?

The pre election lies and dissembling.

The post election targeting of pensioners in a complete about face from what they saying to make political capital, before the election.

The general two faced approach

The complete lack of oratorical skills of Starmer, Reeves and Rayner.

What seems a lack of conviction and certainly lack of inspiration when attempting to explain or justify what they are doing / proposing.

The contradictions- we need to build new houses / there is plenty of housing (Rayner).

 

[MalcSB]

Wow really?
They only got in 6 months ago

They had 14 years prep time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

A Bill that will take rights from parents to do what's best for their child! Is the intention for the state to become the parent?

Have you read the child exploitation inquiry findings
Every one of the children had run away from home and had not been turning up for school
won’t affect parents where children are actually attending school
Have a friend who home schools who doesn’t home school at all
Feel for the kids

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The pre election lies and dissembling.

The post election targeting of pensioners in a complete about face from what they saying to make political capital, before the election.

The general two faced approach

The complete lack of oratorical skills of Starmer, Reeves and Rayner.

What seems a lack of conviction and certainly lack of inspiration when attempting to explain or justify what they are doing / proposing.

The contradictions- we need to build new houses / there is plenty of housing (Rayner).

Not much specific there
I am surprised they’ve not done pr better