Do you want to discuss boring politics? (23 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Removing your benefits is supporting you into work

that is not what that says is it, if you want to talk stop being so disingenuous as they are clearly talking about the 1bn green paper consultation earmarks for return to work help and schemes

 

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[fernandopartridge]

that is not what that says is it, if you want to talk stop being so disingenuous as they are clearly talking about the 1bn green paper consultation earmarks for return to work help and schemes

Well it is what it says, it is paragraph 1 of the case for change. If that isn't the essence of the reason for change then what is? Why is cutting benefit even part of the solution?

 

[fernandopartridge]

The attitudes of old Labour grandees toward long term benefit claimants would be considered ‘far right’ today. This something people like Frank Field who still had that vague connection to Old Labour actually understood.

The problem I have when talking to people of the ‘left’ generally, is that this idea of public services is ‘underfunded’ is repeated ad nausem. Firstly, it’s a manipulation based ‘real terms’ and the principle that running costs need to be matched to inflation is a faulty idea. If private sector companies operated like that, we’d be in trouble - they typically don’t.

In any case, if all the issues around pensions, welfare, the NHS, schooling (and so on) could be fixed with ‘x’ more funding, the government would just do that. Especially a Labour government. The reason they can’t just magically increase the funding is a) the cost of servicing debt increases and b) it creates a death trap for taxpayers of ever ending tax to fund public services.

Citations needed. Everything you post is just the sort of half baked drivel you hear from Tufton St airheads.

 

[fernandopartridge]

it's a long term project designed over the life of a parliament, no one knows how things will be in 2029

balancing the books is not "bullshit", you need to be seen as knowing how you will pay for things or the debt market will finish you

still it's less than a year in and i don't and you don't know what the economy will be like in 2029

It isn't bullshit, it's a myth. The government does not need to borrow to spend. It chooses to sell bonds to the market, it's yet another subsidy for the already wealthy.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You just can't write it

 

[Grendel]

How is my disabled wife exploiting the system Dom?

PIP isn’t means tested at all as I understand it.

I don’t see how that’s sustainable.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Presumably by fair she meant it should be 10x the amount

 

[chiefdave]

There's the actual green paper if anyone actually wants to see what the plans actually are. Lot more "further consultation" than the press reports make out.

Not sure the fact that there's lots more further consolation planned does much to convince me this wasn't hurriedly thrown together because the economy is in a worse state than they expected and they have self inflicted fiscal rules to stick to.

Rather convenient that there's billions in welfare cuts announced shortly before Reeves has to do her spring statement where she's expected to have to announce the economy has fallen way short of her previous projections and there's a similarly sized hole in the finances that needs plugging.

 

[chiefdave]

still it's less than a year in and i don't and you don't know what the economy will be like in 2029

I will happily admit the country is in such a shit state it will take many years to turn things around completely. But equally when pretty much everything had gone to shit there should have been some easy wins ready to go.

We're now nearly a year in and I suspect if you polled the 'man on the street' the vast majority would say things haven't improved or struggle to point to much, if anything, positive the government has done for their day to day lives.

 

[Sick Boy]

You just can't write it

"You just love to see it."

 

[CovValleyBoy]

You just can't write it

As any Coventry kid of a certain age will tell you , toolmakers were the best of the factory shopfloor.
Starmer has no empathy , understanding of the working class past or present.
He is a complete DUD.