shmmeee
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Then like the right of Labour you want Starmer to stay on, tackle the left, and change the rule book. You should be cheering him on.
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Then like the right of Labour you want Starmer to stay on, tackle the left, and change the rule book. You should be cheering him on.
Philosoraptor
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Going well then..
I wonder what these figures would be like if they included the ones which have left Labour.
I wonder what these figures would be like if they included the ones which have left Labour.
shmmeee
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You missed the bit where more say he’s doing a good job and should stay and that Yvette Cooper is their pick for a replacement.
Philosoraptor
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The one that got 17% in the 2015 Labour leadership contest.
If this is weighted to people who have supported Yvette Cooper in the past then the Labour Party is well and truly screwed. The polling about Starmer could be much worse.
shmmeee
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That’s the one, same as the Andy Burnham who got 19%.
YouGovs membership weighting is fine, they’ve been scarily close on every Labour internal election recently.
Philosoraptor
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Makes you wonder how many people have left Labour over the last 12 months for the polling to be like this.
Any news on when the Forde Report is going to be released?
shmmeee
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When the ICO finish their investigation same as last time you asked
Why on Earth would you poll people who don’t have a vote? I bet Corbyns numbers would’ve been worse if you’d added in all the Blairites who left.
Here’s what you can take from that poll: Labour members are generally happy with Starmer and want him to stay on and if he didn’t they want a centrist Blairite leader instead.
Sorry if that doesn’t confirm your biases.
Philosoraptor
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When the ICO finish their investigation same as last time you asked
Why on Earth would you poll people who don’t have a vote? I bet Corbyns numbers would’ve been worse if you’d added in all the Blairites who left.
Here’s what you can take from that poll: Labour members are generally happy with Starmer and want him to stay on and if he didn’t they want a centrist Blairite leader instead.
Sorry if that doesn’t confirm your biases.
How do you reckon the by-election is going to go tomorrow in Batley & Spen?
A resounding win for Labour or a third by-election defeat?
shmmeee
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Probably a loss, trends are against us and right wing vote won’t be split three ways. I take your diversion to mean I won the last argument
Philosoraptor
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Probably a loss, trends are against us and right wing vote won’t be split three ways. I take your diversion to mean I won the last argument
Just trying to show the futility of your argument.
skybluetony176
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shmmeee
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And ended up showing yours. Come on then who is your pick to lead Labour to victory? Which of political titans of the SCG will win the public over against Boris?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I wouldn't describe Carrie as an easy ride. She sounds like a nightmare. Or perhaps you meant Arcuri?
Sky Blue Pete
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oakey
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I think you inadvertently exemplified my point. A woman's affairs would reflect badly on her not her partners. Johnson is seen as "a bit of a lad." A woman leader would be seen as a "slut" or an "old bag" or, at best, a "cougar".
SomersetSB
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ThisYou cant debate in an echo chamber especially one that’s in a minority in the country
let’s look at some of the excellent debates on here
The Tory cabinet should be arrested and charged with killing people
The Queen is a stupid grey haired old woman who should stop the evil Tories
Tories don’t like brown people (odd as it’s the only party that’s employed brown people in big cabinet jobs)
The media are owned by the Tories
The country is no better than North Korea
The country is brainwashing its stupid public (excluding the amazingly intelligent people on SBT politic threads of course well as long as they are part of the dead Labour loser club and support the hugely well thought out ideas from brain dead gimps on Twitter )
Anyone with any sense should move to the poverty hell hole of Wales or The national socialist Scotland.
Most people are rejecting capitalism
Meanwhile in the real world outside this absurd bubble Labour are derided and ridiculed and in all probability will make history on Thursday
Ian1779
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You are literally the only person on here saying an SCG member is going to challenge Starmer. It’ll be the right that tries to depose him when it suits their agenda best.
shmmeee
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Itll be the soft left who get rid of any leader. The right have more political nous than to try if it isn’t a certainty and we aren’t facing imminent disaster.
Literally the only people pushing this (and have been since day one) are the left like philosoraptor. He’s the one saying Starmer is in trouble if the left were undersampled in that poll.
Philosoraptor
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Making up your own straw man fallacy again shmmeee.
Let's face it, there will be enough vibrations going on in certain parts of Cov Labour tonight about the thought of Yvette Cooper becoming Labour leader to power Nuneaton for a couple of hours.
Don't worry that the public and Labour members have rejected New Labour on numerous occasions. Keep grabbing hold of that ever-shrinking Labour ticket in Coventry.
Ian1779
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Starmer is in a hole of his own making. We know Boris is Teflon at the moment, so he should be going around telling people that Labour have some excellent local authorities and metro mayors making a real difference in people lives where they are running a progressive programme. Instead he’s chasing the tail of focus groups, completely oblivious to the changing voter landscape. It’s not all his fault to be fair, but he has surrounded himself with some utter useless people, both his personal team and the people he has put in his shadow cabinet. All we are hearing at the moment from them is stuff about not being able to afford things… it’s literally straight out of Osborne’s austerity playbook.
Sky Blue Pete
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When was new Labour rejected?
shmmeee
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Because they only won three elections in a row and not four.
I don’t think New Labour would work today, even Blair doesn’t think that. But clearly what doesn’t work is being the SWP.
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shmmeee
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Thats all well and good, but like Grendel on a match thread it doesn’t mean much without a name. Cooper is seemingly the best bet and she’s a female Starmer except more right wing economically.
He’s not going anywhere and all the left are doing with this constant hum of “Starmer should go” is exactly what the right did that got the left so upset 2015-17.
Boris is Teflon and the worlds luckiest politician. Not just Brexit but pandemic bounce as well and knowing our luck England will win a major tournament and make him even more untouchable
Sky Blue Pete
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Ok I’m happy 2009 it was rejected but I’m not sure since. I really am confused by the state of politics in our nation but I’m not sure new Labour has been rejected.Because they only won three elections in a row and not four.
shmmeee
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I think that style of managerial politics has been rejected. I don’t think Cameron would win today but I don’t think either Blair or Cameron would run campaigns that they did. What they did right was about the process not the product: face the voters not the members.
I do think Johnson can’t keep it up forever (fnar) and like Biden people will want competence but who the hell knows at the moment. Corbyn had a chance to be populist but couldn’t drop the super unpopular stuff like wokeness and foreign policy. I don’t think Starmer has the guts or the personality to do a Kinnock and clearly set a dividing line is my worry. But I don’t see anyone who could.
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They seem very reluctant to drive the hard working lad made good, which is surely Starmer's USP. He *is* competent in his career before politics, and it's surely his abilities you need to drive, how he is a man who has achieved through his own hard work, not a silver spoon.
Ian1779
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Well quite - it doesn’t mean much without a name, let’s see who’s making moves if it does change hands.Thats all well and good, but like Grendel on a match thread it doesn’t mean much without a name. Cooper is seemingly the best bet and she’s a female Starmer except more right wing economically.
He’s not going anywhere and all the left are doing with this constant hum of “Starmer should go” is exactly what the right did that got the left so upset 2015-17.
Boris is Teflon and the worlds luckiest politician. Not just Brexit but pandemic bounce as well and knowing our luck England will win a major tournament and make him even more untouchable
But I don't think that will register either.
Johnson is so teflon that people genuinely think he is a man of the people, one of us. The mind boggles. Doesn't seem to matter that he has £30k worth of takeaways paid for him, or gets people to pay for his home redecoration, or pay for his holidays.
Meanwhile the son of a working class toolmaker is an elitist snob.
What chance does he have?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I thought people kept on arguing the problem was that they'd moved away from New Labour back to the left. Hence why Corbyn (and to a certain extent Milliband) were pretty disastrous.
Last time i checked New Labour had about a decade in power before they turned away from it and arguably a large reason for that was the Iraq War. Let's face it, Blair et al were Tory-lite and in the current climate should be quite popular given the ineptitude, corruption and just general behaviour of the Tories.
The problem isn't the New part, it's the Labour part. It's becoming a toxic brand that people just don't want to touch. You could take exactly the same campaign/manifesto, put labour on the front of one and Conservative on the front of another and the Conservative one would have a much better reception in the public despite being identical.
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Getting your hedges in order?