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[Sky Blue Pete]

Because they only won three elections in a row and not four.

Ok I’m happy 2009 it was rejected but I’m not sure since. I really am confused by the state of politics in our nation but I’m not sure new Labour has been rejected.

 

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[shmmeee]

Ok I’m happy 2009 it was rejected but I’m not sure since. I really am confused by the state of politics in our nation but I’m not sure new Labour has been rejected.

I think that style of managerial politics has been rejected. I don’t think Cameron would win today but I don’t think either Blair or Cameron would run campaigns that they did. What they did right was about the process not the product: face the voters not the members.

I do think Johnson can’t keep it up forever (fnar) and like Biden people will want competence but who the hell knows at the moment. Corbyn had a chance to be populist but couldn’t drop the super unpopular stuff like wokeness and foreign policy. I don’t think Starmer has the guts or the personality to do a Kinnock and clearly set a dividing line is my worry. But I don’t see anyone who could.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and like Biden people will want competence but who the hell knows at the moment.

They seem very reluctant to drive the hard working lad made good, which is surely Starmer's USP. He *is* competent in his career before politics, and it's surely his abilities you need to drive, how he is a man who has achieved through his own hard work, not a silver spoon.

 

[Ian1779]

Thats all well and good, but like Grendel on a match thread it doesn’t mean much without a name. Cooper is seemingly the best bet and she’s a female Starmer except more right wing economically.

He’s not going anywhere and all the left are doing with this constant hum of “Starmer should go” is exactly what the right did that got the left so upset 2015-17.

Boris is Teflon and the worlds luckiest politician. Not just Brexit but pandemic bounce as well and knowing our luck England will win a major tournament and make him even more untouchable

Well quite - it doesn’t mean much without a name, let’s see who’s making moves if it does change hands.

 

[PVA]

They seem very reluctant to drive the hard working lad made good, which is surely Starmer's USP. He *is* competent in his career before politics, and it's surely his abilities you need to drive, how he is a man who has achieved through his own hard work, not a silver spoon.

But I don't think that will register either.

Johnson is so teflon that people genuinely think he is a man of the people, one of us. The mind boggles. Doesn't seem to matter that he has £30k worth of takeaways paid for him, or gets people to pay for his home redecoration, or pay for his holidays.

Meanwhile the son of a working class toolmaker is an elitist snob.

What chance does he have?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Making up your own straw man fallacy again shmmeee.

Let's face it, there will be enough vibrations going on in certain parts of Cov Labour tonight about the thought of Yvette Cooper becoming Labour leader to power Nuneaton for a couple of hours.

Don't worry that the public and Labour members have rejected New Labour on numerous occasions. Keep grabbing hold of that ever-shrinking Labour ticket in Coventry.

I thought people kept on arguing the problem was that they'd moved away from New Labour back to the left. Hence why Corbyn (and to a certain extent Milliband) were pretty disastrous.

Last time i checked New Labour had about a decade in power before they turned away from it and arguably a large reason for that was the Iraq War. Let's face it, Blair et al were Tory-lite and in the current climate should be quite popular given the ineptitude, corruption and just general behaviour of the Tories.

The problem isn't the New part, it's the Labour part. It's becoming a toxic brand that people just don't want to touch. You could take exactly the same campaign/manifesto, put labour on the front of one and Conservative on the front of another and the Conservative one would have a much better reception in the public despite being identical.

 

[Grendel]

I still think Labour may cling onto Batley anyway

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I still think Labour may cling onto Batley anyway

Getting your hedges in order?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But I don't think that will register either.

Johnson is so teflon that people genuinely think he is a man of the people, one of us. The mind boggles. Doesn't seem to matter that he has £30k worth of takeaways paid for him, or gets people to pay for his home redecoration, or pay for his holidays.

Meanwhile the son of a working class toolmaker is an elitist snob.

What chance does he have?

No chance at all
Same with Jo Cox’s sister

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I still think Labour may cling onto Batley anyway

Bloody hope so

 

[Grendel]

Getting your hedges in order?

I don't think the Galloway plan will work and is more likely to take Tory votes - he is pro Brexit and a nationalist. I do not think the Muslim vote here is pro Labour especially with a gay pro Israel candidate

I think getting Jo Cox sister in is a shameless bit of politicking and don't agree with it but its bound to attract sympathy. The Muslim protests at Leadbetter will not go down well.

This has been a rather ugly and unpleasant campaign

 

[shmmeee]

I don't think the Galloway plan will work and is more likely to take Tory votes - he is pro Brexit and a nationalist. I do not think the Muslim vote here is pro Labour especially with a gay pro Israel candidate

I think getting Jo Cox sister in is a shameless bit of politicking and don't agree with it but its bound to attract sympathy. The Muslim protests at Leadbetter will not go down well.

This has been a rather ugly and unpleasant campaign

Spot on with that last sentence.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Things may not be going to plan in Labour when labourlist runs an article saying Starmer is not going to resign on the eve of a by-election.

Starmer "not going to resign" if Labour loses Batley and Spen by-election - LabourList

Keir Starmer’s spokesperson has declared that the Labour leader is “not going to resign” if his party loses…

labourlist.org

 

[COV]

So at the risk of starting a war, how did these election get on, did Labour get wiped out?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Votes being cast today I believe

#announceMP

 

[shmmeee]

So at the risk of starting a war, how did these election get on, did Labour get wiped out?

Find out tomorrow. Don’t think polling has closed yet.

 

[COV]

Find out tomorrow. Don’t think polling has closed yet.

That will be why grendel is strangely quiet then I guess... I was expecting to see him gloating

 

[Grendel]

That will be why grendel is strangely quiet then I guess... I was expecting to see him gloating

what are you on about ive posted today on this thread

 

[COV]

what are you on about ive posted today on this thread

I don’t do the whole in depth analysis stuff, don’t know enough about it- I was just gonna see what the reaction to the results were

 

[fernandopartridge]

I'd be very surprised if Labour win. They have absolutely no vision, terrified of their own shadow. Whilst the candidate rattles on about there being "no magic money tree" whilst the magic money tree has paid many people for over a year just shows how useless their strategists are. Trying to win yesterday's argument. Morons.

 

[chiefdave]

I'd be very surprised if Labour win.

It would be a miracle if they win this. They had some locals on the radio at lunchtime saying they were longtime Labour voters getting stuck into them for cuts to the local councils budget.

 

[Ian1779]

It would be a miracle if they win this. They had some locals on the radio at lunchtime saying they were longtime Labour voters getting stuck into them for cuts to the local councils budget.

It’s genuinely terrifying how some of the locals have been hoodwinked into deflecting the blame away from the Tories.

 

[shmmeee]

I'd be very surprised if Labour win. They have absolutely no vision, terrified of their own shadow. Whilst the candidate rattles on about there being "no magic money tree" whilst the magic money tree has paid many people for over a year just shows how useless their strategists are. Trying to win yesterday's argument. Morons.

Yeah there’s a lot in this.

Attitudes today to tax and spend to get out of the COVID recession are polar opposite to 2008.

Worrying they can’t see it.

 

[shmmeee]

It would be a miracle if they win this. They had some locals on the radio at lunchtime saying they were longtime Labour voters getting stuck into them for cuts to the local councils budget.

The threatening funding shite is proper scummy campaigning. Shouldn’t be allowed. And is a load of bollocks anyway, see all the Tory councils that end up begging for cash recently.

 

[PVA]

Grendel is the only person who apparently thinks Labour can win

 

[Deleted member 11652]

Grendel is the only person who apparently thinks Labour can win

 

[wingy]

The threatening funding shite is proper scummy campaigning. Shouldn’t be allowed. And is a load of bollocks anyway, see all the Tory councils that end up begging for cash recently.

It was always thus really.
However with devolvement etc, metro mayor's it's a simpler stchik to play especially under Osborne.

 

[Philosoraptor]

It was always thus really.
However with devolvement etc, metro mayor's it's a simpler stchik to play especially under Osborne.

You have to remember that Coventry Labour agreed to abide by the spending review as part of the devolution deal without even knowing what they were.

Coventry councillor says West Midlands Combined Authority is big smokescreen – AFTER vote to join

A LEADING Coventry Labour councillor has admitted the West Midlands Combined Authority is the \

coventryobserver.co.uk

Always got to blame the Labour right as well; Lucas, Ruane and Co with forcing this on to the people of Coventry without a referendum.

Apparently, populism was to blame.

With powers going from the City Council to the WMCA in the setting up of the combined authority, which made a referendum necessary, and also DEMSOC stating a referendum was also needed, then blame needs to be proportioned to the advice Coventry Labour received from certain officers from CCC, and of course, to the Labour right in Coventry and other Labour councils as well as the Tory Party in general.

 

[wingy]

You have to remember that Coventry Labour agreed to abide by the spending review as part of the devolution deal without even knowing what they were.

Coventry councillor says West Midlands Combined Authority is big smokescreen – AFTER vote to join

A LEADING Coventry Labour councillor has admitted the West Midlands Combined Authority is the \

coventryobserver.co.uk

Always got to blame on the Labour right as well; Lucas, Ruane and Co with forcing this on to the people of Coventry without a referendum.

Apparently, populism was to blame.

With powers going from the City Council to the WMCA in the setting up of the combined authority, which made a referendum necessary, and also DEMSOC stating a referendum was also needed, then blame needs to be proportioned to the advice Coventry Labour received from certain officers from CCC, and of course, to the Labour right in Coventry and other Labour councils as well as the Tory Party in general.

Yes I believe it was rejected at the outset but came to be as finance was linked at a time when councils were starved of funds and selling off assets to survive .

 

[shmmeee]

Mood

 

[It’sabatch87]

Any idea on the policies of the fifth party on that list?
They’ve got better odds than the lib dums!!

 

[oakey]

Labour leaders are like generals, always planning to fight and win the previous war.

 

[Ian1779]

Any idea on the policies of the fifth party on that list?
They’ve got better odds than the lib dums!!
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Not saying those odds are dodgy, but the NIP didn’t even field a candidate.

 

[shmmeee]

Well quite - it doesn’t mean much without a name, let’s see who’s making moves if it does change hands.

Didn’t take long to see…

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How can anyone blame the local government for the cuts in the income from central government.

Utterly f’in unbelievable