Grendel
Well-Known Member
Turnout was 47% so difficult to say I assume a lot just didn’t vote
He probably galvanised support TBH. The Tories still should’ve won though. Where did the Kipper Independent votes go?
No but at by elections you have to have policies on everything and are held responsible for everything if you are Labour. If you're Tory you can hide away, put out a vague promise to "level up' and nobody will remember that your party has been in power for 11 years and will vote for you as you represent the change they angrily want.
He didn’t get kicked out of the PLP for racism - you’re talking shit there.
They literally had to lock Starmer up ‘fridge-style’ and he managed what a dozen or so tweets in support?
But you keep getting outraged about the former leader and how we should all unequivocally get behind the current leader regardless…
defintely.not.a.cult.
But you’re equating ‘the left’ with people like that and it’s not on. It seems your centrist dad ‘hot take’ is that the left are gutted that Labour held the seat…And I don’t think you’ve read anything I’ve written if you think I’m saying support Starmer unconditionally. I’m saying there’s nothing better so get behind the party and don’t support racists and homophobes who cover for despicable regimes.
But you’re equating ‘the left’ with people like that and it’s not on. It seems your centrist dad ‘hot take’ is that the left are gutted that Labour held the seat…
I want Labour to win as much as you, but the party have to be reflective at this point on Batley (and Hartlepool too) and think about the direction. It’s not the time to crow and think everything is all dandy.
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Correct.I think you misunderstand where this is going.
It is called growing a backbone and not implementing Tory cuts to local services which should have happened.
Amazing how money can now be found to protect businesses that didn't bother to get the correct insurance to get through a pandemic.
A hat stand with a red rosette would have been more effective in defending cuts to local services than a lot of Labour councillors
City Centre first though eh?
(the left of the party) obediently attack every bit of made-up “woke” bait Johnson waves at them
The Tories were 1/6 to win yesterday so their claims of being `not bothered' sound like a dumped 14 year old teenager.
However, if Labour want to challenge on a national scale they should follow this advice in todays Independent Op-ed piece-
Labour remains in a mess – the Batley and Spen result doesn’t change that
I know it's his job to big the party up but Starmer saying 'Labour are back' isn't going to fool anyone. This wasn't a Labour win - it was a Tory loss and even then it was incredibly close. I think the deciding factor may well have been it being Jo Cox's sister running.
So can someone summarise what happened, was it the total wipeout for labour some were predicting
who was predicting that? You I assume have seen the result
I have not seen anything
And I would not be crowing about it whichever way it went as I am not on either side. Just interested to see who got it right & wrong on here that’s all
It was a Tory loss.
They were 1/5 to win, or something like that.
Trying to claim they're not disappointed by it is the political equivalent of 'didn't fancy her anyway'.
Ok so conservatives left with egg on their faces, however labour celebrating something which would have been a given just a few years ago, highlighting the state they’re actually in
Would it not have been better for Starmer to acknowledge Labour’s struggles and use the narrow margin of victory to commit to changing things? People will see through this, celebrating this seems to be missing the point, would be like Robins dancing with delight at beating Nuneaton Borough with a late own goal in the FA Cup after being under the cosh all match
Nuneaton Borough wouldn't be 1/5 to beat us though
We live in a post truth world where something staying the same is seen as a mammoth victory. Starmer is just joining in with the current mood of the country.Ok so conservatives left with egg on their faces, however labour celebrating something which would have been a given just a few years ago, highlighting the state they’re actually in
Would it not have been better for Starmer to acknowledge Labour’s struggles and use the narrow margin of victory to commit to changing things? People will see through this, celebrating this seems to be missing the point, would be like Robins dancing with delight at beating Nuneaton Borough with a late own goal in the FA Cup after being under the cosh all match
We live in a post truth world where something staying the same is seen as a mammoth victory. Starmer is just joining in with the current mood of the country.
if it’s a Tory loss given it’s a Labour seat and I think has been since 1997 then Labour is in an even more dire position than most think
That was a win.Like us going mad at staying in the same division, I get you
I know it's his job to big the party up but Starmer saying 'Labour are back' isn't going to fool anyone. This wasn't a Labour win - it was a Tory loss and even then it was incredibly close. I think the deciding factor may well have been it being Jo Cox's sister running.
if it’s a Tory loss given it’s a Labour seat and I think has been since 1997 then Labour is in an even more dire position than most think
In this particular example, I think it’s a combination of the candidate putting a lot of hard yards on the ground, and a bit of the Tory vote not coming out (being it wasn’t a GE)Tories were favourites to win it. Most people are surprised it didn't swing back. And I don't see what Labour have done, other than the choice of candidate, to arrest their recent decline. Which leaves the possibility of the Tories putting people off voting for them. And you got a multiple choice of reasons for that.
A right leaning print media still dictates public opinion so any Labour leader wanting to be PM has to hold their nose and pick up the phone to Murdoch.
Blair proved this.
Right wing vote has been higher than left there every year other than when Blair was in power I believe. It’s a Tory seat in reality and will likely go that way at the next GE.
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