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Sir Keir Starmer to shore up 'red wall' credentials with visit to rugby league final
Labour leader tells i he wants a more cautious Covid unlocking to ensure fans can attend the sport’s World Cup in autumn.
What don't you like about Starmer?
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Sir Keir Starmer to shore up 'red wall' credentials with visit to rugby league final
Labour leader tells i he wants a more cautious Covid unlocking to ensure fans can attend the sport’s World Cup in autumn.inews.co.uk
I would genuinely like to know why. What is it about Johnson that appeals to you? His appeal is totally lost on me, but I would like to know why he would appeal to you.I would vote for Boris Johnson before I voted for Labour, I’m not surprised tbh
Because he was invited to a rugby game?
‘What do the northerners like? If I go to a sporting event they will like me’
You’re hard to pleaseThis man is pathetic
That’s your spin on it. That entire article is based on what some bloke in a think tank said.
Or he’s just doing normal person things because that’s what you do if you’re a politician who doesn’t have some masochistic need to present yourself in the worst way possible on principle.
I don’t get this weird need to performatively hate him for doing very standard politician things.
I think like many of us who desire intelligence at the heart of government can’t quite understandI don’t hate him, don’t be absurd. He just doesn’t know how to engage with what was the core voter base of the party and thinks things like this are the answer.
You do seem to get very defensive of any criticism of him
I think like many of us who desire intelligence at the heart of government can’t quite understand
starmer bad
Johnson good
Didn’t say it made Johnson better but the perception is
Starmer- wet lettuce technocrat
Johnson- affable one of the lads clown
The same happens in Scotland when Johnson makes one off trips there and thinks it makes a difference. Again the perception is
Sturgeon - sensible mature anti-Tory
Johnson - posh git
Perception is reality
Starmer isn’t even recognisable in Scotland
Starmer isn’t even recognisable in Scotland
I can't understand why he is seen as pathetic and Johnson as some great leader. Please explain. Johnson comes across to me as incompetent and totally lacking in sincerity. I don't find him funny or inspiring. What is it I am missing?This man is pathetic
Totally. Competence and intelligence seems to be seen as weak and pathetic now.I think like many of us who desire intelligence at the heart of government can’t quite understand
starmer bad
Johnson good
He doesn’t stand for anything. He’s a weather vane and doesn’t appear to have any conviction on many things. He’s basically sat there and let people say that under 25’s are feckless and workshy… and this is the demographic that leans heavily to his party.I can't understand why he is seen as pathetic and Johnson as some great leader. Please explain. Johnson comes across to me as incompetent and totally lacking in sincerity. I don't find him funny or inspiring. What is it I am missing?
He doesn’t stand for anything. He’s a weather vane and doesn’t appear to have any conviction on many things. He’s basically sat there and let people say that under 25’s are feckless and workshy… and this is the demographic that leans heavily to his party.
That said, in his defence, that whole BBC thing was a setup, designed to humiliate him.
Totally. Competence and intelligence seems to be seen as weak and pathetic now.
A listening exercise that he *needed* to do on camera?This is such bollocks. He was at a listening exercise and you’re criticising him for *checks notes* listening.
Exactly mate. This really annoys me. It seems people just want bombast from our leaders.This is such bollocks. He was at a listening exercise and you’re criticising him for *checks notes* listening.
You’re missing the point. I’m not comparing him to Johnson who is a complete fucking fraud.Exactly mate. This really annoys me. It seems people just want bombast from our leaders.
The media will always make Labour leaders look weak and undermine them. It's shocking that how one was eating a bacon sandwich determined a General Election.
But I still struggle to see how most people can't see through Johnson. Hos charm and charisma doesn't work for me, and I would rather be lead by someone who tries to listen and make informed and sensible decisions.
Exactly mate. This really annoys me. It seems people just want bombast from our leaders.
The media will always make Labour leaders look weak and undermine them. It's shocking that how one was eating a bacon sandwich determined a General Election.
But I still struggle to see how most people can't see through Johnson. Hos charm and charisma doesn't work for me, and I would rather be lead by someone who tries to listen and make informed and sensible decisions.
Clearly he was against Brexit (he's intelligent) and called for a second referendum. Incidentally at one stage I was standing next to him in one of the anti-Brexit marches. Are you forgetting that Corbyn was effectively supporting Brexit.You’re missing the point. I’m not comparing him to Johnson who is a complete fucking fraud.
He does not listen, he just appears to give the notion of listening.
Several times between 2017 and early 2019 Starmer was interviewed and said that the Labour Party must honour the Brexit referendum or it risks the party being torn apart and rejected by the electorate. He then proceeded to champion a policy that did just that. This is why people don’t trust him.
Clearly he was against Brexit (he's intelligent) and called for a second referendum. Incidentally at one stage I was standing next to him in one of the anti-Brexit marches. Are you forgetting that Corbyn was effectively supporting Brexit.
Is he right on everything? Of course not but he is far better than Corbyn or any other senior Labour figure I can think of.
But hey let's criticise this guy rather than highlighting the real problems, which us this incompetent Government.
Wow just wow all perceptionThe one thing Corbyn had in 2017 was an ability to go places and talk to crowds and get engagement - in a different way Major did as well in 92 when the odds were heavily against him. Starmer looks like the people he addressed are beneath him
Whippet and Pigeon racing?‘What do the northerners like? If I go to a sporting event they will like me’
Wow just wow all perception
But that's the problem. We go for leaders who are popular and charismatic rather than competent. Yes Johnson and Corbyn (and Trump) have people who will support them no matter what they do, but they are hopeless at doing things. For some reason many people find those sort of people attractive, but I just don't get it.The one thing Corbyn had in 2017 was an ability to go places and talk to crowds and get engagement - in a different way Major did as well in 92 when the odds were heavily against him. Starmer looks like the people he addressed are beneath him
I’m not forgetting anything. I voted for Remain, it lost and that should have been the end of it on June 24th 2016, no matter how shit of a decision I thought it was.Clearly he was against Brexit (he's intelligent) and called for a second referendum. Incidentally at one stage I was standing next to him in one of the anti-Brexit marches. Are you forgetting that Corbyn was effectively supporting Brexit.
Is he right on everything? Of course not but he is far better than Corbyn or any other senior Labour figure I can think of.
But hey let's criticise this guy rather than highlighting the real problems, which us this incompetent Government.
But that's the problem. We go for leaders who are popular and charismatic rather than competent. Yes Johnson and Corbyn (and Trump) have people who will support them no matter what they do, but they are hopeless at doing things. For some reason many people find those sort of people attractive, but I just don't get it.
I know people who are fanatical about Corbyn and also one who are about Johnson. Despite the report on anti sematism they refuse to believe Corbyn could be in any way wrong. Despite all the horrendous mistakes during the pandemic they say Johnson is doing as well as he could. They have no objectivity. Both have a cult like status amongst their supporters.
I'd rather have a boring but competent person in charge. I prefer to get entertainment from other areas of my life.
I’m not forgetting anything. I voted for Remain, it lost and that should have been the end of it on June 24th 2016, no matter how shit of a decision I thought it was.
Corbyn’s position originally was to respect the result, to imply he was some kind of secret Brexit mole to help deliver a hard Brexit is just pure FBPE fan fiction looking for reasons as to why Remain lost. Yet to this day the Remain camp have never really looked or understood the reasons why Brexit was voted for… too fucking arrogant to listen.
I tell you why I dislike Starmer, he hung my profession out to dry during the pandemic, and he the poorest leader Labour have had in my lifetime in my opinion.
But again, you’re missing point in regards to Johnson, by criticising Starmer it does not mean you are excusing the Tories, or supporting what they are doing. This country is going to suffer further under their governance.
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