you are equating this with someone being evil/ fat/ basically undesirable?
I know you’re not a stupid person, but that’s just wrong.
Im going to be generous and assume you’ve misread that. The analogy is clearly the delusion not a moral judgement.
I assume you can read my other comments so take my examples to dubed instead, unless you’re going to claim being black or an alien is undesirable.
Address the point: should we always affirm a child’s delusions?
No, because that isn’t the point, you are trying to force it to become the point when it’s actually way more complex than that.
Nobody is on about ‘affirming’ anything, ‘delusions’ is patronising, and the age 4 part is basically sensationalism. But I suspect you know that already. This is something of relevance to me and this place is a bad place to talk about it, leaving it there.
Nooooo! Humans can't change sex - only certain animal species can do that. I haven't seen anywhere that this is being taught? They can also change gender, which is what humans are able to do. That is, reflect the behaviours, characteristics and appearance that are traditionally associated with a particular sex. But bearing in mind that medical science is pretty unanimous in considering that sex is a combination of genetics, genetic expression (throughout life) and socially learnt behaviours, we are all placed .differently along the gender spectrum.
Anyway, that's a wrap from me!
Bejesus, I'm not. It's very simple. Sex - the vast majority of the scientific literature takes the presence of a Y chromone to determine one as male, no matter how many Xs that person may have. There of of course nuanced discussion in the literature around this, but most taking as their starting point gamete sex. Similarly, whilst there is much still to be understood about gender behaviour, the vast majority of the scientific literature concludes that gender is likely determined by the expression of gamete sex (including exposure to hormone in the womb) and wider environmental (sociological) influences.
have I missed something- where does it say that things are going to be ‘pushed onto children’?
surely is just about creating a safe environment where everyone can be what they want to be, with no questions asked- can only talk for me but far as I’m concerned that’s a really good thing.
No it's not , they are weird fuxkers trying to do shit like this to kids at such a young age
Safeguarding will always supersede everything, which isn’t really emphasised in the newspaper article or the written paper.
Children will be protected and safe - the people on the ground will make sure that happens.
Would you be OK with the school supporting anorexia if the child feels they are fat? After all kid knows best. What about suicide if they feel there’s no point? Kid knows best.
I don't think you were far off tbh.Deleted as probably tactless!
I genuinely think it's my generation's racism - most of us have probably had an old Great Aunt or Uncle who we cringed at when they said something... 'of their generation' wrt racism, and they genuinely had no idea what they were saying was offensive.
Wrt transgenderism, I fear I might be the same as that in 30-odd years if I'm not careful! I try to understand... some things I don't.
Ha! It's a difficult subject though, isn't it!I don't think you were far off tbh.
From what I can see teenagers today are far more aware and understanding of the issue compared to my generation (mid 30s).Ha! It's a difficult subject though, isn't it!
And sometimes of course, the wanting not to cause offence sometimes stops learning more from others as much as people causing offense (even if unwittingly). And so the circle continues...
Extremely difficult.Ha! It's a difficult subject though, isn't it!
And sometimes of course, the wanting not to cause offence sometimes stops learning more from others as much as people causing offense (even if unwittingly). And so the circle continues...
Anyway, as COV quoted meI may as well stick it back up!
I genuinely think it's my generation's racism - most of us have probably had an old Great Aunt or Uncle who we cringed at when they said something... 'of their generation' wrt racism, and they genuinely had no idea what they were saying was offensive.
Wrt transgenderism, I fear I might be the same as that in 30-odd years if I'm not careful! I try to understand... some things I don't.
The wise words of my mate Renton: “One thousand years from now there'll be no guys and no girls, just wankers. Sounds great to me.”You're probably right.
I'll admit my difficulty in understanding it is that how is transgenderism that much different from other forms of body dysmorphia? Pretty much everyone has something they feel is not 'right', whether it to be with body shape, facial features, hair and we spend a lot of time changing them physically, some in more drastic ways than others.
Is it physical or mental? Is it more to do with how we expect the different sexes to act that causes the problem rather than the physical body? if people were allowed to be who they wanted to be in terms of what they wear/do etc., would the desire to physically change be as strong? Do people want the surgery so that they feel society will be more accepting of them and the way they are? i.e. if I look like a man/woman it'll be more acceptable for me to act the way I want to?
Having all these classifications like trans/queer etc is just trying to fit people into boxes and the fact that more and more 'types' are being identified shows its an attempt to categorise because people are saying they don't feel like they fit into any of the categories so create another. In reality there's probably as many 'types' as there are people because no one person will be the same as another. It's the age old problem of everyone being different in some way to everyone else but wanting to feel like they belong and that there are people just like them.
Basically is the solution to do away with gender stereotypes than to do all this transitioning? After all even if you have gender realignment surgery you're still not, biologically, that sex. You just look more like it so again it seems more a mental thing.
I reckon in the short-term we'll have two classifications, sex and gender, but will eventually work towards removing gender stereotypes which are just a construct created by society over many centuries/millenia
The wise words of my mate Renton: “One thousand years from now there'll be no guys and no girls, just wankers. Sounds great to me.”
Ha! It's a difficult subject though, isn't it!
And sometimes of course, the wanting not to cause offence sometimes stops learning more from others as much as people causing offense (even if unwittingly). And so the circle continues...
Would Afghanistan have been better to have recruited a women only army ?
Well I mean from the perspective they wouldn't have balls in the game, like their counterparts?No. From the sounds of it they needed verging they could get their hands on.
Yes it’s a Twitter poll and yes it’s TalkRadio, but not sure I’ve seen a Twitter poll with this many votes this unanimous before
They’re asking if kids age 4 should be allowed to change their gender at school. Not sure too many would approve of that.
it is however not what the proposal is. But it’s elicited the desired outrage.
The ignorance is amazing- I’m surprised at you falling for this type of thing.
I think the key point is use of the word “allow”. The only thing it’s allowing is a safe place for expression of what they already feel they are. You can’t allow someone to be trans gender, gay, whatever. They already are, it’s the safe place that’s disallowed.That’s literally the policy though? You can keep saying “ignorance” “falling for it” but you haven’t explained what’s incorrect.
I think the key point is use of the word “allow”. The only thing it’s allowing is a safe place for expression of what they already feel they are. You can’t allow someone to be trans gender, gay, whatever. They already are, it’s the safe place that’s disallowed.
Strange one that. I still (after a few pints) refer to Chinese cuisine as 'a chinky', but I balk at others use of the N word.In my student days in 'more socially conscious' Scotland I got stunned by mates asking if we 'wanted to go for a chinky'. The English ones among us were gobsmacked, the Scots non-plussed!
On gender in schools-in the past I've taught in all boys schools. At one of them a 6th former wanted to transition and was given the choice to stay on if they wanted. Further down the school I'm less sure how it'd have been handled
According to this document anyone who is a boy an emotional or doesn’t “conform to masculine physical attractiveness” is trans:
It doesn’t appear to say that at all from what you’ve posted? But you go on citing TalkRadio Twitter polls.
It literally does. It says trans people are people who don’t conform to gender stereotypes and lists those as gender stereotypes.
It says that not conforming to gender stereotypes is something that trans people do. It does not say that anyone who doesn’t conform to gender stereotypes is trans. You sound like someone trying to drum up a moral panic.
You sound like someone who can’t explain what they’re on about so resorts to insults.
Gender is sex stereotypes. That’s what I’ve always been taught: boys have short hair, girls can’t throw, etc etc.
It says transgender people are people who’s gender isn’t the same as their sex. Which makes no sense so I assume they mean they don’t conform to sex stereotypes.
If you have a better description feel free to give it. I seriously doubt you have though.
You’ll be the third person in this thread to get get angry and abusive and be completely unable to answer basic questions about the ideology you’re getting angry about. It’s tiresome.
According to this document anyone who is a boy an emotional or doesn’t “conform to masculine physical attractiveness” is trans
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