TomRad85
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Bye Tony. I look forward to your next post. I'm sure it'll be truly enlightening with absolutely no hint of hysterical bullshit.
Bye Tony. I look forward to your next post. I'm sure it'll be truly enlightening with absolutely no hint of hysterical bullshit.Okay. You flounce of then. Bye.
You okay hun?Bye Tony. I look forward to your next post. I'm sure it'll be truly enlightening with absolutely no hint of hysterical bullshit.
Are you worried now?
Well I'm mentally stable which is more than I can say for some.You okay hun?
Well I'm mentally stable
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It was years ago so can't remember exactly what it was but it was basically around the time things were starting to come out about the dispute and that the blame might not 100% lie with SISU. Mine was just 'we know who you are', well obviously if you're messaging me on Facebook, and 'we know where you work', unlikely my employer would fire me for saying SISU might not being entirely to blame for us being in Northampton. It was laughable really but I know others got similar and some people got messages threatening them with lawyers if they said anything against certain sides in the dispute.Really? I can’t imagine you saying anything to provoke that kind of stuff. Could see some on here attracting that kind of attention, not you though.
Don't really hide it to be honest. Although if you google chiefdave and coventry now you get a lot of results for Dave Boddy as he's usually referred to as 'Coventry City chief Dave Boddy', he's done wonders for my online anonymityHow do people find out who you are?
Leaving aside the issues with handing my CC details out to a bunch of random sites, the main problem is how would Twitter enforce it? They aren’t going to do it for every country so do you anonymous accts abroad we can’t see or just for British users? If iFollow can’t stop me being Dutch every Saturday afternoon so doubt Twitter can.
No one is forcing anyone to sign up to random social media sites.....and any site that held your card details would be subject to the same scrutiny and rules as retailers are now.....
...also Twitter dont need to enforce anything other than be strict on only registering actual real adults....not kids or bots etc.
It's also a backup so when rimplestiltskin tweets to threatens rashford or sancho cos they missed a pen, the old bill can go and kick his/her/their door in
....I dunno....I'm pissed. This place (which is fucking ace) is the only social medya use innit
But the point is this is a U.K. law and Twitter is global. Unless we’re about to convince every country to do this or Twitter to restrict itself to just those countries that do anonymity will be only a VPN away.
They tried this with the wank pass and that was infinitely more workable than this.
Politicians don’t like to hear this but the internet was designed to enable free and anonymous exchange of information that routes around blocks. And there’s an army of programmers out there with an ideological dislike of authoritarian tech. Even Apple can’t make a fully secure system, even the Russia and Chinese can’t with all their power over their own citizens.
You either shut yourself off from the internet or you accept you don’t control it.
It’s King Cnut levels of delusion. Like promising you’ll make all rapists turn themselves in or stop it raining. It’s just not within their power.
Is this what they meant by taking back control?
This is perfectly normal and definitely not the actions of a banana Republic.
That is terrifying but as some have said will be sold as 'taking back control' when it fact it's an attempt by the government to control the judiciary. It's basically saying this government thinks it is above the law.
That is terrifying but as some have said will be sold as 'taking back control' when it fact it's an attempt by the government to control the judiciary. It's basically saying this government thinks it is above the law.
It's not that surprising really, a lot of Labour leave voters held their nose and voted Tory as Labour were trying to stab them in the back. With that now done and with Corbyn gone some will revert to type, some won't.Thought this was interesting regarding polls:
Basically the polling hiding a swing to Labour because so many have gone to the Greens. Received wisdom holds that smaller parties inflate away from election periods and get squeezed back to the main parties closer to polling day, which would suggest polls are closer and also that Labour is picking up a decent amount of Leave voters.
"Stab them in the back" or "Allow a chance for a rethink"?It's not that surprising really, a lot of Labour leave voters held their nose and voted Tory as Labour were trying to stab them in the back. With that now done and with Corbyn gone some will revert to type, some won't.
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"Stab them in the back" or "Allow a chance for a rethink"?
Labour's timidity and fence sitting over Brexit lost both Leavers and Remainers as I feared it would all along.
From day one Labour should have labelled it "Tory Quitters" and had nothing to do with it. But we all know Labour was too divided and many on the left loved Brexit.
That isn't true. Many Remain voters did vote Tory. They were persuaded that "Get Brexit done" was all that mattered. Yet the Tories and Brexit parties combined got under 50% of the vote. There was a potential to unite the anti-Brexit vote and then who knows what the GE would have seen, but Labour, under Corbyn seemed happy to facilitate Tory Brexit.No appetite for a rethink other than from those that didn't get their way I'm afraid. Should have stuck with the vote from day 1, their remain voters still wouldn't have voted Tory.
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That isn't true. Many Remain voters did vote Tory. They were persuaded that "Get Brexit done" was all that mattered. Yet the Tories and Brexit parties combined got under 50% of the vote. There was a potential to unite the anti-Brexit vote and then who knows what the GE would have seen, but Labour, under Corbyn seemed happy to facilitate Tory Brexit.
I didn't say Labour Remain voters.You think many Labour remain voters voted Tory? I think you're wrong.
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I didn't say Labour Remain voters.
In any case, if you are Labour leaning and voted Leave why would you characterise Labour as backstabbing as opposed to allowing you to change your mind? You could still choose the Tories if you still wanted Brexit without feeling angry or aggrieved at Labour.
Chris Tarrant- is that your final answer?
Yes and stop trying to stab me in the back!
No one on this thread has ever used the words of Conservative politicians against them then? God forbid some are forced to look a bit closer to home.
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You might not have said Labour remain voters but I did.
I'd characterise it as back stabbing because it is... we think you are stupid and made a poor decision are you sure you wouldn't like to change your mind? That worked well didn't it.
Democracy isn't really comparable to an episode of Who Wants to be a Millionaire is it really.
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I don't know many MPs full stop who have actually called for or wanted to co-ordinate violence. Oh wait, I know one.
The ironic thing is that Corbyn’s personal Brexit stance would actually have been popular in these seats and in the past he had given leftist arguments in favour of it.
You might not have said Labour remain voters but I did.
I'd characterise it as back stabbing because it is... we think you are stupid and made a poor decision are you sure you wouldn't like to change your mind? That worked well didn't it.
Democracy isn't really comparable to an episode of Who Wants to be a Millionaire is it really.
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I think you may be right.I agree, he should have had the balls to stand by it.
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I think you may be right.
But Labour would have split and we may have sèen a new centre party/alliance or lost the votes of me and millions of others.
It may have been a better outcome than what we have now.
Again, you may be right but don't underestimate how strongly millions of Remainers feel. It will be a factor in pulling many Labour leaning voters towards Greens, LDs, SNP and PC. Enough to stop Labour in many constituencies.I disagree with you, I think Labour remainers voters would have largely stayed with them regardless. No one votes for Lib Dems and Change UK was it? Well... lol
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John McDonnell?
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Again, you may be right but don't underestimate how strongly millions of Remainers feel. It will be a factor in pulling many Labour leaning voters towards Greens, LDs, SNP and PC. Enough to stop Labour in many constituencies.
You can’t go against the basic will of the people. It’s democracy in its most fundamental form, and if happened in another country we’d be sending in monitors and the like."Stab them in the back" or "Allow a chance for a rethink"?
Labour's timidity and fence sitting over Brexit lost both Leavers and Remainers as I feared it would all along.
From day one Labour should have labelled it "Tory Quitters" and had nothing to do with it. But we all know Labour was too divided and many on the left loved Brexit.
We'll have to disagree amicably then.You can’t go against the basic will of the people. It’s democracy in its most fundamental form, and if happened in another country we’d be sending in monitors and the like.
You can argue the merits of its shitness all day long, but it had to be honoured.
In the future of the voting public want it enough, they should be given the chance to rejoin if they so desire.
I won’t actually disagree with anything you said here - the referendum was a sham from start to finish… BUT most people aren’t aware of the finer details of it all. They saw Labour’s approach as an assault on democracy… ignoring the fact that Cameron’s fudge to solve an interval party dispute was far worse.We'll have to disagree amicably then.
The 'will of the people' is a nonsense phrase to me. We are all individuals and there is no fixed will or opinion. Such a notion is fascistic as it imagines a collective which doesn't exist. The people who got to vote didn't include EU citizens for example, or anyone currently under the age of 23.
Referendums should only be held on definite propositions if at all. They should require supermajorities if they involve major constitutional change.
It is a perversion of democracy.
Absolutely, and I'm not trying to rerun the whole thing. Too late for that.I won’t actually disagree with anything you said here - the referendum was a sham from start to finish… BUT most people aren’t aware of the finer details of it all. They saw Labour’s approach as an assault on democracy… ignoring the fact that Cameron’s fudge to solve an interval party dispute was far worse.
One thing that the Remain camp have still failed to do to this day is really look inwards as to why it lost.
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